Aston Villa 2 The Arse 4 Post Match ah well what could have been thread

[PaulWinch again]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.

[Paul.S]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.

The first was a calamity, the second was caused by not closing down which Luiz was informed of by the rest of the team. There’s no lack of organisation and as a defender you don’t need someone to tel you to head the ball away and not into the penalty area. They aren’t good enough to lift us into the top half. It’s called switching off and they do it time and time again.

[Footy-Vill]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

And last goal!
Martinez made a decision for his personal struggle against Arsenal and disobeyed orders, which was on the record as being unauthorised, and Emery has confirmed as much.
Emery has been courteous in what he has said but he has also expressed his unhappiness, and that is not how Emery expects players to operate and rightly so.
A goalie cannot just do as he pleases against the manager's wishes.

[Paul.S]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.

The first was a Captain, the second was caused by not closing down which Luiz was informed of by the rest of the team. There’s no lack of organisation and as a defender you don’t need someone to tel you to head the ball away and not into the penalty area. They aren’t good enough to lift us into the top half. It’s called switching off and they do it time and time again.

*calamity

[Scott Nielsen]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

I'm sympathetic to this view as I've long been of the opinion we simply don't have good enough players for anything but bottom half of the table. But why is it this is an acceptable excuse only under Emery? Smith or Gerrard were not given a pass - plenty of people then said these things are coached out of players on the training pitch, ergo the manager was ultimately responsible.

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t think many people are that worried about the 4th footy. It’s kind of understood.

It’s the goals of consequence that are linked to actual common phases of play, not chancing your arm when you’re in the last chance saloon.

[villadelph]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

I'm sympathetic to this view as I've long been of the opinion we simply don't have good enough players for anything but bottom half of the table. But why is it this is an acceptable excuse only under Emery? Smith or Gerrard were not given a pass - plenty of people then said these things are coached out of players on the training pitch, ergo the manager was ultimately responsible.

Because we are actually trying to play football and he’s won real trophies.

[pauliewalnuts]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

And last goal!
Martinez made a decision for his personal struggle against Arsenal and disobeyed orders, which was on the record as being unauthorised, and Emery has confirmed as much.
Emery has been courteous in what he has said but he has also expressed his unhappiness, and that is not how Emery expects players to operate and rightly so.
A goalie cannot just do as he pleases against the manager's wishes.

98th minute losing 3-2 who fucking cares.

[Footy-Vill]

I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more

[PaulWinch again]

Exactly.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more

Somebody please make it stop

[tomd2103]

Thought it was a decent game and we played our part to be honest.  Bailey's shot hits the bar and stays out, their's hits the bar, hits Martinez and goes in.  Yes, some of the familiar frustrations were there again and Martinez's blatant time wasting is starting to annoy everyone, even our own fans.

What was noticeable from the North Stand was the width Arsenal played with.  Their wide players stayed in advanced wide positions all game and they moved the ball quickly out to them.  We,on the other, had no real options out wide and couldn't get out when we were trying to break.  You could almost feel their first equaliser coming, as we just couldn't get out of our own half.

Didn't impact the game too much, but thought the ref was poor today and gave them pretty much everything.  He gave one near our box in the 2nd half for a foul on Saka which was a terrible decision.

[astonvilla82]

When was the last time our defence has been this bad and badly organised. We’re an absolute shambles.

It’s individual mistakes not the organisation and this has been the case for a few seasons. What can Emery do about goals like their first?

That’s not true though - a lot of the goals are down to poor closing down and an apparent lack of understanding of roles.

I can't play football, but it a case of being alert all the time, manager shouldn't have to tell any player, this is where the other players should be screaming at each other

[PaulWinch again]

I'm not allowed to discuss it but your'll hear Emery have words on it and can make what you will.
No more

Somebody please make it stop

I’d love to see your reaction Footy had we equalised from that corner and Martinez had some involvement. Would you have been furious that he went off script? Emery is wrong on this one - who cares about the risk of conceding one more goal when you’re losing anyway. Anything that could increase your chances of scoring makes sense. The risk vs reward balance means it’s logical to do.

[rougegorge]

11 conceded in 3 games is poor no matter who the opposition is. Worse still most of them have been self-inflicted. Leicester was a catalogue of errors and we get the same again today.

Martínez kicked the ball out for a cheap throw and then that leads to another error. A Stevenagesque  quick corner catches us out and before the late goals Konsa gifted them one and Nketiah fluffed his chance.

I'm getting fed up of Martínez's antics and others around me today thought likewise. His slow and poor distribution contributed to our downfall, his time wasting doesn't buy us time and he gets a free pass all the time.

Our relative strength is going forward (we have scored in every game since Emery arrived) and it's certainly not building painfully slowly at the back.