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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #345 on: July 31, 2022, 05:06:51 AM »
Does it boil anyone's else's piss when we pass it about under pressure in our own 18 yard area. It won't be long before we fuck this up and the opposition gets gifted a goal.
Why this has become vogue I really don't know.
Especially when, after fannying around for ages, we end up under the cosh and hoof it. Might as well bloody hoof it to begin with, and avoid the risk of handing the opposition a goal by stuffing up.

And yes, I understand what this approach is *supposed* to do. I don't think we're achieving this though.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #346 on: July 31, 2022, 07:51:15 AM »
Good wirknoutvn extreme heat. Just gives everyone the urge for more European nights

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #347 on: July 31, 2022, 08:00:26 AM »
what was the score ?

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #348 on: July 31, 2022, 08:06:45 AM »
Good day out. and a excellent win it was so hot inside the ground

Carlos is going to be a fanís favourite, but young Feeney looks as though he could be very special  - the new Gareth Barry at his age

Still think we need another midfielder and a striker

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #349 on: July 31, 2022, 08:12:35 AM »

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #350 on: July 31, 2022, 09:44:13 AM »
I didnít see the match so my conclusion from reading the comments on here is that:
We are very shaky defensively to almost useless.
We have no pace and are one dimensional.
Kamara is waste of space but slightly better than Luiz.
We need 3 more central defensive midfielders.
We need 5 free scoring strikers to insure we have cover for all eventualities.


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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #352 on: July 31, 2022, 10:00:04 AM »
I didnít see the match so my conclusion from reading the comments on here is that:
We are very shaky defensively to almost useless.
We have no pace and are one dimensional.
Kamara is waste of space but slightly better than Luiz.
We need 3 more central defensive midfielders.
We need 5 free scoring strikers to insure we have cover for all eventualities.

We started slowly but were the better team once we got up to speed.
One or two decent performances, some players looked rusty.
Gerrardís style will not be universally popular with fans.
We won.


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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #353 on: July 31, 2022, 10:40:13 AM »
Does it boil anyone's else's piss when we pass it about under pressure in our own 18 yard area. It won't be long before we fuck this up and the opposition gets gifted a goal.
Why this has become vogue I really don't know.

I agree. Since this tactic has become permissible it seems that virtually every football team in the land, at whatever level and no matter how hopeless they are, are of a mind that it is now compulsory to fanny about in your own 18 yard box from a goal kick.

A team is more likely to retain the ball and find space to move into attacking positions by doing it. An aimless hoof up the pitch has no guarantee of anything.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #354 on: July 31, 2022, 10:45:11 AM »

A team is more likely to retain the ball and find space to move into attacking positions by doing it. An aimless hoof up the pitch has no guarantee of anything.

Yep. I think it's part of the reason it looks like Mings isn't going to be starting the season as first choice. We clearly want to pass the ball out more, and the other defenders are more comfortable on the ball than he is.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #355 on: July 31, 2022, 10:55:30 AM »
I didnít see the match so my conclusion from reading the comments on here is that:
We are very shaky defensively to almost useless.
We have no pace and are one dimensional.
Kamara is waste of space but slightly better than Luiz.
We need 3 more central defensive midfielders.
We need 5 free scoring strikers to insure we have cover for all eventualities.

We started slowly but were the better team once we got up to speed.
One or two decent performances, some players looked rusty.
Gerrardís style will not be universally popular with fans.
We won.
This is a fair summary. 
The only thing I would add is we have enough midfielders - just working out the best mix. 
I think the concerns are legitimate about the forward options

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #356 on: July 31, 2022, 11:16:59 AM »

A team is more likely to retain the ball and find space to move into attacking positions by doing it. An aimless hoof up the pitch has no guarantee of anything.

Yep. I think it's part of the reason it looks like Mings isn't going to be starting the season as first choice. We clearly want to pass the ball out more, and the other defenders are more comfortable on the ball than he is.


I'm a mere layman on this matter, no expert*, but for me the most crucial element of beating the press is the ability of whoever receives the first ball into midfield to play it out again first time. If you take a touch there, you will be swamped.

*tongue in cheek, obviously I am an expert and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #357 on: July 31, 2022, 11:17:05 AM »
Would like to have seen Archer get more time.
Some fairly poor performances and up front looks a problem.
Need to be better against Bournemouth.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #358 on: July 31, 2022, 11:31:49 AM »

A team is more likely to retain the ball and find space to move into attacking positions by doing it. An aimless hoof up the pitch has no guarantee of anything.

Yep. I think it's part of the reason it looks like Mings isn't going to be starting the season as first choice. We clearly want to pass the ball out more, and the other defenders are more comfortable on the ball than he is.


I'm a mere layman on this matter, no expert*, but for me the most crucial element of beating the press is the ability of whoever receives the first ball into midfield to play it out again first time. If you take a touch there, you will be swamped.

*tongue in cheek, obviously I am an expert and anyone that disagrees is wrong.

Playing out from the back like that actually serves two purposes.  The first, and ideal one, is as others have said that if you can beat the press and play out from the back you have possession while attacking and a possible overload.  But the retained possession is the key part.  The second, less effective thing it delivers (and which we rely on too often) is that when a team commits to a press, it leaves more space behind and potentially stretches the play.  A centre-half hitting it long-ish towards the forwards "over the top" of a press has a better chance of success than one hoofed towards the forwards when the opposition are all sat thirty yards further back.

Invite them on in the hope of playing through them, but play it over the top of the press if needed.  And if your forwards are getting particular joy in their personal battles, or running the channels well, then you can always skip the playing out from back bit if the circumstances dictate.

It often has my heart in my mouth watching us do it, but over a season I'm confident we'll benefit more than it costs us.

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Re: Stade Rennais v Aston Villa pre-season friendly thread
« Reply #359 on: July 31, 2022, 11:33:30 AM »
Excellent summary of why it's done.

 


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