Isn't part of the 'issue' with our youth set up that we are pushing players to play at a higher age. So our U23s is filled with 17/18 year olds, our U18s with 16/17 year olds.I think that is a great policy for developing our players, but surely we have to accept that we will probably struggle to win a lot of matches as a result.
Quote from: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2022, 07:20:08 PMWell all the academy teams have been rubbish this year.It's about players coming through, not results.
Well all the academy teams have been rubbish this year.
Quote from: boozey182 on June 15, 2022, 08:05:12 PMIsn't part of the 'issue' with our youth set up that we are pushing players to play at a higher age. So our U23s is filled with 17/18 year olds, our U18s with 16/17 year olds.I think that is a great policy for developing our players, but surely we have to accept that we will probably struggle to win a lot of matches as a result. If young players are playing against older age categories, that is a good thing. That young player will learn way more doing so and develop new traits then playing in their own age group and wining all the time. Ajax use to do that in the 80’s and 90’s with their kids and worked out pretty well.
Quote from: LeonW on June 15, 2022, 08:10:36 PMQuote from: boozey182 on June 15, 2022, 08:05:12 PMIsn't part of the 'issue' with our youth set up that we are pushing players to play at a higher age. So our U23s is filled with 17/18 year olds, our U18s with 16/17 year olds.I think that is a great policy for developing our players, but surely we have to accept that we will probably struggle to win a lot of matches as a result. If young players are playing against older age categories, that is a good thing. That young player will learn way more doing so and develop new traits then playing in their own age group and wining all the time. Ajax use to do that in the 80’s and 90’s with their kids and worked out pretty well. Oh absolutely. I'm all for it as a strategy It was more to suggest that it isn't just about results at that level, as others have said. We're building up players to be ready for the first team, and the amount that we've got coming through suggests that this has been working.
3 appointments and a bit of a shuffling of the deck suggests, to me, that the idea that Gerrard was behind Delaney leaving was wide of the mark. This looks like something they've been building towards for a while.
Quote from: boozey182 on June 15, 2022, 08:16:36 PMQuote from: LeonW on June 15, 2022, 08:10:36 PMQuote from: boozey182 on June 15, 2022, 08:05:12 PMIsn't part of the 'issue' with our youth set up that we are pushing players to play at a higher age. So our U23s is filled with 17/18 year olds, our U18s with 16/17 year olds.I think that is a great policy for developing our players, but surely we have to accept that we will probably struggle to win a lot of matches as a result. If young players are playing against older age categories, that is a good thing. That young player will learn way more doing so and develop new traits then playing in their own age group and wining all the time. Ajax use to do that in the 80’s and 90’s with their kids and worked out pretty well. Oh absolutely. I'm all for it as a strategy It was more to suggest that it isn't just about results at that level, as others have said. We're building up players to be ready for the first team, and the amount that we've got coming through suggests that this has been working.In total agreement with you. Young players have to be allowed to make mistakes. It’s far better to do that in a safe environment and where they learn from it. Hopefully Ramsey is just the start, we’ll see.
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2022, 10:55:13 PM3 appointments and a bit of a shuffling of the deck suggests, to me, that the idea that Gerrard was behind Delaney leaving was wide of the mark. This looks like something they've been building towards for a while.I agree.Something I noticed last season was comments made by Cheltenham's manager that Aaron Ramsey was a bit off first teen football when he joined them. Louie Barry also struggled a bit for game time at Ipswich. The latter is either a bad error of judgement on who to loan him to (too much competition for his position) or that he wasn't as far along as Ipswich thought when they loaned him.All I can think is that perhaps we've not had quite the right focus on developing players at Bodymoor Heath & might be placing more emphasis on having players who are prepared for first team football, so there's less of a 'getting up to speed' element to their loans.
As we've said before, the best ones are on loan and in any case, looking at what we've got it's a bit knee-jerk to decide the entire policy isn't good enough.