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Online WassallVillain

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #105 on: July 14, 2022, 06:13:24 PM »
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.

I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.

These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
You make it sound like a sink or swim option. Itís not. He will have all the support and more to make it as a professional and he still may not. Player welfare, particularly for the young and away from home will be a major consideration. I doubt theyíve lifted him from the wilds of Scotland and dumped him into student type accommodation on the outskirts of Birmingham.  Most likely thereís generous assistance available for his family. You canít not do something just in case some poor soul might suffer rejection.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #106 on: July 14, 2022, 06:18:37 PM »
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?

They've taken him away from "Rangers", his lot in life can only improve.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #107 on: July 15, 2022, 07:08:42 AM »
To be honest, in principle I agree with Footy. I think acquiring players to loan them out, rather than allowing them to become stars at their own clubs, is fundamentally the wrong thing to do. What hope does a club like, for example, Exeter City have if whenever they have a half decent player come through the ranks, some Premier League club comes along, snaps them up, then farms them out on loan for however long on the basis of a 2% chance they'll make it.

But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.

The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.
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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2022, 07:25:24 AM »
To be fair, you have to assume the standards, equipment, expertise, medical, and coaching set up at academies like ours are better than the majority, so thereís an argument to be made that it helps the kids make the most of their abilities too.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2022, 07:53:33 AM »
To be honest, in principle I agree with Footy. I think acquiring players to loan them out, rather than allowing them to become stars at their own clubs, is fundamentally the wrong thing to do. What hope does a club like, for example, Exeter City have if whenever they have a half decent player come through the ranks, some Premier League club comes along, snaps them up, then farms them out on loan for however long on the basis of a 2% chance they'll make it.

But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.

The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.

Don't forget though that most clubs are happy with how we go about it and when we pick up someone from a club like Exeter the fee we agree is enough to pay for their entire academy for at least a year.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2022, 04:37:04 PM »
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.



So we should leave the young players in the lower leagues, in case they don't make it and end up playing in the lower leagues?

And what promises do you think will be made to them, besides paying them the agreed rate for the length of their contract and playing them if they turn out to be any good?

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2022, 05:08:22 PM »
How good is Rory Wilson? - genuine question.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2022, 05:30:52 PM »
How good is Rory Wilson? - genuine question.

Heís one of the best in his age group, judging by the goals, but we will see how he gets on next season in the U23s as itís a big test.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2022, 08:22:19 PM »
To be honest, in principle I agree with Footy. I think acquiring players to loan them out, rather than allowing them to become stars at their own clubs, is fundamentally the wrong thing to do. What hope does a club like, for example, Exeter City have if whenever they have a half decent player come through the ranks, some Premier League club comes along, snaps them up, then farms them out on loan for however long on the basis of a 2% chance they'll make it.

But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.

The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.

Don't forget though that most clubs are happy with how we go about it and when we pick up someone from a club like Exeter the fee we agree is enough to pay for their entire academy for at least a year.
Yeah, I agree. I think weíve gone about our business in the right way, and Iím certainly not complaining about it. You have that other side of the coin, of course, where itís at least allowing the trickle down money to get to clubs in the rest of the league structure, which is better than it going elsewhere.

Itís complicated and on any given day Iíll contradict things Iíve said about it before half a dozen times or more!

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #114 on: February 02, 2023, 03:36:47 PM »
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.


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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2023, 03:42:37 PM »
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.

Yep, i think he's pretty young and hungry.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #116 on: February 02, 2023, 03:48:04 PM »
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.

I think Brad Young is the one we'll look at if we get injuries. I'm not sure if he's anything like good enough, his youth record is good but he's struggled on loan.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2023, 03:51:02 PM »
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.

Yep, i think he's pretty young and hungry.

He always needs it on a plate for him though.

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #118 on: February 02, 2023, 03:56:34 PM »
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.

I think Brad Young is the one we'll look at if we get injuries. I'm not sure if he's anything like good enough, his youth record is good but he's struggled on loan.
But we don't even have a Brad Young thread!

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Re: Rory Wilson
« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2023, 04:05:48 PM »
Foul - Dennis Taylor, 4.

 


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