Leicester City (0) vs Aston Villa (0) Post-Match Thread

[Brazilian Villain]

I thought Mings was great today and dealt with everything that came into into our box effortlessly. Iroegbunam looked really good when he came on, as did Buendia.

Sounds about right, Mings got MOTM on the BBC player voting.

[Toronto Villa]

And how are Newcastle six points and six places above us.

Simple they hired an experienced PL manager who could arrange the existing resources more effectively and supplement them with some additional good players.

We didn’t

This

Where is this list of experienced managers who were available that suddenly could have been so much better than what we got? That’s not me saying Gerrard was the best available but to think we missed out on so much better and so much more experience simply has no merit. We had an experienced manager and he got fired. Rafa Benitez has a very successful history in the game and he was awful. Managers coming in from another country are not guaranteed succeed. Klopp didn’t walk in and magically turn Liverpool into what they are now. Ragnick at Man U has been a failure. Moyes failed multiple times before being reborn, second time around at West Ham. He was fired by them before. Conte would never have come to us.

There is simply no guarantee that “experience” equates to success. And we have also seen Vieira take Palace to the cup semi final, Arteta in a couple of seasons turn Arsenal into a side that might qualify for the CL. And he’s taken all manner of criticism. So before we hammer Gerrard after 6 months in the job let’s see how it plays out.

[RamboandBruno]

Summary of post match comments fir our last 2 games:

Beat the goal down v Spurs, missed our chances then shipped 4 against a side gunning for Europe with 2 strikers on top form = worst Villa side in living memory.

Kept a clean sheet today and got a point  away at Leicester whose last 4 home games were 3 wins and a draw and who are in the Europa Conference semi finals = the worst Villa side since the end of WW2..

Ha, very true.

... and utter bollocks!

Its really not bollocks, its actually spot on. Lots of the ultra negative comments on here are from
Posters who have already made their minds up about Gerrard, nothing short of a thumping win would of altered some of them, in fact some of the posters would of gone awol. After 4 defeats on the bounce, ill take a scrappy niggly draw at Leicester with a clean sheet.

[Tayls_7]

Time and again we labour with too many passengers.  I'm particularly thinking about Konsa, SJM and Luiz who have been consistently bad for a number of games now. It isn't like we don't have alternatives and it is what is pissing me off about Gerrard's stewardship. I think Ollie was up for it today and better on his ownbup top but just needs a bit of luck. Bailey did okish and Coutinho unfortunately very anonymous.  Very few deserve plaudits for that insipid display.  MoM if there was one, Young.

I thought Bailey was absolutely rotten and hardly put a foot right. First half especially he was woeful. He was supposed to be an amazing winger but I can't recall a single time he took somebody on. Why he gets a start and not Buendia is baffling, he might have a bit of pace, but if he's never got the ball then it's pointless. Most of the tine when he did have it he passed it back to Cash.

Maybe it's my pessimism but I was actually expecting less! I thought he looked like a player who hasn't had regular starts and overcoming injuries.  I thought he showed for the ball throughout the match. What he did with it, well...

[colin69]

Followed the first half on here where we sounded abysmal. I did manage to see the second half and didn’t think we were actually that bad with a couple of exceptions.
Thought the subs worked well today, not convinced by Bailey and I’d like to see Chambers over Konsa at the moment.

[rob_bridge]

And how are Newcastle six points and six places above us.

Simple they hired an experienced PL manager who could arrange the existing resources more effectively and supplement them with some additional good players.

We didn’t

This

Where is this list of experienced managers who were available that suddenly could have been so much better than what we got? That’s not me saying Gerrard was the best available but to think we missed out on so much better and so much more experience simply has no merit. We had an experienced manager and he got fired. Rafa Benitez has a very successful history in the game and he was awful. Managers coming in from another country are not guaranteed succeed. Klopp didn’t walk in and magically turn Liverpool into what they are now. Ragnick at Man U has been a failure. Moyes failed multiple times before being reborn, second time around at West Ham. He was fired by them before. Conte would never have come to us.

There is simply no guarantee that “experience” equates to success. And we have also seen Vieira take Palace to the cup semi final, Arteta in a couple of seasons turn Arsenal into a side that might qualify for the CL. And he’s taken all manner of criticism. So before we hammer Gerrard after 6 months in the job let’s see how it plays out.

I am stating facts. Had we gone for Howe it may not have worked. What we did is most certainly not working. Even Lamberk tried to change it (unsuccessfully) in the last few months. Gerrard does nothing.

What is increasingly clear is Gerrard + 150m - whatever we get in sales = MON/ Sherwood combo.

Worse the football is Benitez tedious.

Last summer more or less all of our players could have been sold for a good or more profit. That looks less likely with every passing weekend.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

I dozed off about 15 minutes into the first half when not much had happened then woke up in stoppage time at the end of the second. What did I miss?

[Beard82]

I dozed off about 15 minutes into the first half when not much had happened then woke up in stoppage time at the end of the second. What did I miss?

Nothing

[Tayls_7]

I dozed off about 15 minutes into the first half when not much had happened then woke up in stoppage time at the end of the second. What did I miss?

Schmeichel produced the best goalkeeping display in living memory and almost single handedly kept us at bay.

[Brazilian Villain]

I dozed off about 15 minutes into the first half when not much had happened then woke up in stoppage time at the end of the second. What did I miss?

Probably just a lot of histrionics in the match thread.

[Allan C]

And how are Newcastle six points and six places above us.

Simple they hired an experienced PL manager who could arrange the existing resources more effectively and supplement them with some additional good players.

We didn’t

This

Where is this list of experienced managers who were available that suddenly could have been so much better than what we got? That’s not me saying Gerrard was the best available but to think we missed out on so much better and so much more experience simply has no merit. We had an experienced manager and he got fired. Rafa Benitez has a very successful history in the game and he was awful. Managers coming in from another country are not guaranteed succeed. Klopp didn’t walk in and magically turn Liverpool into what they are now. Ragnick at Man U has been a failure. Moyes failed multiple times before being reborn, second time around at West Ham. He was fired by them before. Conte would never have come to us.

There is simply no guarantee that “experience” equates to success. And we have also seen Vieira take Palace to the cup semi final, Arteta in a couple of seasons turn Arsenal into a side that might qualify for the CL. And he’s taken all manner of criticism. So before we hammer Gerrard after 6 months in the job let’s see how it plays out.

Yes correct. Gerrard was the the best candidate from the realistic list of candidates at the time of Smiths sacking. Now he’s here, we’ve got to give him time to develop what is largely Smith’s squad. Smith was allowed that with Bruce’s squad so why is Gerrard not being allowed it?? Potters name cropped up again which made me chuckle, mighty Brighton a full 3 points ahead of us and played a game more!!!

[Beard82]

And how are Newcastle six points and six places above us.

Simple they hired an experienced PL manager who could arrange the existing resources more effectively and supplement them with some additional good players.

We didn’t

This

Where is this list of experienced managers who were available that suddenly could have been so much better than what we got? That’s not me saying Gerrard was the best available but to think we missed out on so much better and so much more experience simply has no merit. We had an experienced manager and he got fired. Rafa Benitez has a very successful history in the game and he was awful. Managers coming in from another country are not guaranteed succeed. Klopp didn’t walk in and magically turn Liverpool into what they are now. Ragnick at Man U has been a failure. Moyes failed multiple times before being reborn, second time around at West Ham. He was fired by them before. Conte would never have come to us.

There is simply no guarantee that “experience” equates to success. And we have also seen Vieira take Palace to the cup semi final, Arteta in a couple of seasons turn Arsenal into a side that might qualify for the CL. And he’s taken all manner of criticism. So before we hammer Gerrard after 6 months in the job let’s see how it plays out.

Yes correct. Gerrard was the the best candidate from the realistic list of candidates at the time of Smiths sacking. Now he’s here, we’ve got to give him time to develop what is largely Smith’s squad. Smith was allowed that with Bruce’s squad so why is Gerrard not being allowed it?? Potters name cropped up again which made me chuckle, mighty Brighton a full 3 points ahead of us and played a game more!!!

Hes clearly going to get time - so its a mute point.  But, what Smith did was show improvement until the point he didnt and then he was sacked.  Hand on heart, how many people can say the Gerrard has been an improvement on where we were under smith. 

Thats not saying anything is right or wrong, but I dont think the narrative is correct to say that Dean was given time - he earnt that time. 

[PaulWinch again]

Sorry this thing that it’s clear that the style under Gerrard will be awful is at best assumptive and at worst just bollocks. We’re not playing flowing football at the moment clearly, but it’s a team low on confidence. We have also played really well under Gerrard. It just strikes me that people are cherry picking to suit their argument. A team being in poor form does not mean the manager is clueless or hopeless. It also doesn’t say he’ll turn it round and be a success. But it’s nonsense to call him Sherwood or write him off yet.

[olaftab]

And how are Newcastle six points and six places above us.

Simple they hired an experienced PL manager who could arrange the existing resources more effectively and supplement them with some additional good players.

We didn’t

But Rob you have to admit however clueless on the pitch our Steven is great interviewee?

[JUAN PABLO]

Never been so bored at a game

Well since the Lambert days


Watkins has been getting lessons off Ashley young how to dive .

He's not good enough