Aston Villa v Tottenham Post Match Wake.

[Allan C]

Disagree, if you leave with 20 minutes to go because you're 3 down, you're a wanker. You wouldn't leave if you were 3 up with 20 minutes left.

I normally agree with what you say Ads but not this. The performance was a disgrace after half time and I can’t think of a better way to show that disgrace then to walk out. It’s not about traffic or transport either or plastic fans. The owners would have noticed that too. The alternative is like a”Newcastle” sit and watch till the end and gamely clap as they leave the field.

[astonvilla82]

Sky are saying that since they starting keeping records for this stat 15 years ago, that was the most saves a Spurs keeper has made in a first half of a match, which says it all. Thought we were superb, the best 1st half performance against a top 4 side since the 7-2, outside of the top 2, we played the form team in the league off the park. Now need to carry that form into the Leicester match, who thankfully won't have a world class striker in their team.

that's the annoying part of the game, you could see Spurs getting another goal and we needed to score first half, also why couldn't we play like that against Wolverhampton, West Ham

[Chico Hamilton III]

Disagree, if you leave with 20 minutes to go because you're 3 down, you're a wanker. You wouldn't leave if you were 3 up with 20 minutes left.

That's totally unacceptable.

My view is you stay and you suffer it all. Whether it's 8-1 at the Bridge or the longest 7 minutes of your life at Wembley. Football is by and large a bit of a masochistic exprience for nigh on every fan outside of a handful of clubs. I don't like a culture of giving in, I don't like it when the players give up, I didn't like it when Lerner gave up and I don't like it when our supporters do the same. Have a bit of pride and suffer, as every once in a thousand games, Andre Green might surprise you.

That’s fine and a perfectly reasonable outlook. But calling fellow fans with a different view to yours wankers ( classic teenage keyboard warrior tactics - you wouldn’t say it to someone on the Holte or in the pub) is shit house stuff. And I’d imagine it’s probably against some site rule or other.

[Clampy]

No-one likes to see the ground emptying, no-one does. It's not a good look. I don't like it but I understand it when it happens.

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Why wouldn't I say it to their face, if I was so aggrevated enough to be confrontational with a single individual? It's certainly rude to call somebody a wanker, I'll grant you and it might offend your sensibilities, it might not. Supporters leaving offends my sensibilities, as its a collective failure. Why would you want to upset me anymore than me upset you?

When a Villa fan is (hypothetically) arrested somewhere for being a racist scumbag at a game, I'm embarrassed by that. As we're a collective and when we behave like twats as a group, it reflects badly on all of us. We know that you or I aren't like that, but we're a heaving mass. So when the Witton Lane vanishes with 20 minutes to go, that dereliction is a reflective of us all. I'd prefer us all to suffer and be mardy and miserable as one until the end. Others disagree.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Disagree, if you leave with 20 minutes to go because you're 3 down, you're a wanker. You wouldn't leave if you were 3 up with 20 minutes left.

That's totally unacceptable.

My view is you stay and you suffer it all. Whether it's 8-1 at the Bridge or the longest 7 minutes of your life at Wembley. Football is by and large a bit of a masochistic exprience for nigh on every fan outside of a handful of clubs. I don't like a culture of giving in, I don't like it when the players give up, I didn't like it when Lerner gave up and I don't like it when our supporters do the same. Have a bit of pride and suffer, as every once in a thousand games, Andre Green might surprise you.

That’s fine and a perfectly reasonable outlook. But calling fellow fans with a different view to yours wankers ( classic teenage keyboard warrior tactics - you wouldn’t say it to someone on the Holte or in the pub) is shit house stuff. And I’d imagine it’s probably against some site rule or other.

This. It also distracts from what should be the real focus ie management/coaching staff and the players.

[dave.woodhall]

Why wouldn't I say it to their face, if I was so aggrevated enough to be confrontational with a single individual? It's certainly rude to call somebody a wanker, I'll grant you and it might offend your sensibilities, it might not. Supporters leaving offends my sensibilities, as its a collective failure. Why would you want to upset me anymore than me upset you?

When a Villa fan is (hypothetically) arrested somewhere for being a racist scumbag at a game, I'm embarrassed by that. As we're a collective and when we behave like twats as a group, it reflects badly on all of us. We know that you or I aren't like that, but we're a heaving mass. So when the Witton Lane vanishes with 20 minutes to go, that dereliction is a reflective of us all. I'd prefer us all to suffer and be mardy and miserable as one until the end. Others disagree.

Nobody is calling you a wanker. That's the difference.

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Why wouldn't I say it to their face, if I was so aggrevated enough to be confrontational with a single individual? It's certainly rude to call somebody a wanker, I'll grant you and it might offend your sensibilities, it might not. Supporters leaving offends my sensibilities, as its a collective failure. Why would you want to upset me anymore than me upset you?

When a Villa fan is (hypothetically) arrested somewhere for being a racist scumbag at a game, I'm embarrassed by that. As we're a collective and when we behave like twats as a group, it reflects badly on all of us. We know that you or I aren't like that, but we're a heaving mass. So when the Witton Lane vanishes with 20 minutes to go, that dereliction is a reflective of us all. I'd prefer us all to suffer and be mardy and miserable as one until the end. Others disagree.

Nobody is calling you a wanker. That's the difference.

I'm being unreasonable to convey my sense of irritation though. Me sitting in the Holte doesn't cause irritation, I'm just there, along with everybody else. Giving up is alien to me, I cannot stomach it and so it grates and manifests thus.

[colin69]

I went on my own yesterday as my son is on holiday and confess I did leave in the 83rd minute. First time I’ve ever left a game early but I’d seen enough.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Never mind leaving early, yesterday was one of those rare occasions when I actually arrived in time for the kick off. Sober. On a normal Saturday I’d have missed Son’s opener. God knows what the Trinity Road moralists make of people like me

[Nev]

It's getting increasingly unpleasant on here just lately.

[dave.woodhall]

I think it was that Walnuts fella who said that if he leaves on ninety minutes he can get home an hour earlier than if he stays to the end. Given the shit-awful kick-off time and worsening transport problems I wouldn't blame anyone for taking that decision yesterday. 

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We're talking about deserting the side with 20 minutes to go. That's not nipping to the toilet or making a dash for the train, that's an egregious surrender.

[Sexual Ealing]

Why wouldn't I say it to their face, if I was so aggrevated enough to be confrontational with a single individual? It's certainly rude to call somebody a wanker, I'll grant you and it might offend your sensibilities, it might not. Supporters leaving offends my sensibilities, as its a collective failure. Why would you want to upset me anymore than me upset you?

When a Villa fan is (hypothetically) arrested somewhere for being a racist scumbag at a game, I'm embarrassed by that. As we're a collective and when we behave like twats as a group, it reflects badly on all of us. We know that you or I aren't like that, but we're a heaving mass. So when the Witton Lane vanishes with 20 minutes to go, that dereliction is a reflective of us all. I'd prefer us all to suffer and be mardy and miserable as one until the end. Others disagree.

Nobody is calling you a wanker. That's the difference.

I'm being unreasonable to convey my sense of irritation though. Me sitting in the Holte doesn't cause irritation, I'm just there, along with everybody else. Giving up is alien to me, I cannot stomach it and so it grates and manifests thus.

Perseverance is alien to me, you absolute persistent stay-to-the-end melt. If something is hard, stop trying. That's my attitude, and therefore it ought to be yours too.

It's certainly the prevailing school of thought amongst the football players you pay your hard-earned to watch. 

[Nunkin1965]

It's something I've only done once in 35 years of regular attendance at VP.
And that was only because the person I was with was my lift home.
It isn't in my nature to leave that early regardless of how bad things are going because my personal choice is to stay.
I wouldn't call out people who chose leave though. It's up to them.