Gerrard In or Out?

[LeeB]

It was the Konsa from his first season, before lockdown, where I wasn't in the slightest bit convinced and felt he was too lightweight to be effective.

I thought he was pretty good in that first season considering his age and lack of PL experience, a star in the making. At this point though i'm wondering whether i was a bit hasty with my optimism.

On Saturdays showing I think you may have been. He’s out of form currently and I’m struggling to see why he was bought back into the team over Chambers who’d been rock solid in the 3 wins.

Chambers was shite v West Ham hence lost his spot.

Yet Konsa has been shite since and kept his.

I don't remember Chambers being particularly bad against West Ham either.

[Risso]

I don't remember Chambers being particularly bad against West Ham either.

Me either. I seem to recall he could have done a bit better with one of the goals but it's a world away from literally handing three or four goals on a plate like Konsa did. We also might have won/got something out of that game if Ings had slammed that effort home from 5 yards.

[LeeB]

I don't remember Chambers being particularly bad against West Ham either.

Me either. I seem to recall he could have done a bit better with one of the goals but it's a world away from literally handing three or four goals on a plate like Konsa did. We also might have won/got something out of that game if Ings had slammed that effort home from 5 yards.

I remember that, McGinn playing a pointless pass into a heavily marked Bailey which quickly turned into the killer second goal, and Young choosing the single worst option available with the precious little time left on the clock.

[Drummond]

So we're saying that McGinn, Young, Ings, Konsa, Watkins, Mings, Luiz, Digne and Bailey were all at fault and shit?

They aren't all shit players, and if they are all out of form at the same time, how is that explained?

[algy]

So we're saying that McGinn, Young, Ings, Konsa, Watkins, Mings, Luiz, Digne and Bailey were all at fault and shit?

They aren't all shit players, and if they are all out of form at the same time, how is that explained?

Think it's a mixture of being out of form, injured, and not played to their strengths.

Genuinely think they're all mid-table or higher Premier League quality players - with the exception of Ashley Young.  McGinn has been linked regularly with Manc Utd and (I think) Liverpool, and is the star of the Scottish national team.  Ings has been a prolific striker with 2 separate clubs.  Mings is a regular in the England squad, Ollie Watkins becoming one.  Konsa has been talked about as being on the fringes of that same team.  Luiz is a Brazilian international who at one point we were worried Man City would want him back.  Digne was Everton's best player prior to us signing him.  Bailey was the second coming if you read the talk of him after he'd signed, but before he'd played for us.  All should be somewhere around their prime as players.

I do have a few concerns about Gerrard in that regard.  He isn't getting the most out of what he has right now, and he's trying to force a system that the players - by his own admission - haven't completely bought in to, and the squad doesn't look particularly suited to.  When he does have a player in form (Buendia), he doesn't do anything to try to use that as a catalyst for the rest of the side.

As before, I'm "Gerrard In", and probably will still be come the end of the season.  But I'm mildly concerned by what I've seen so far

[Risso]

Made up newspapers links and nonsense from agents isn’t proof of a player’s quality.

[Scott Nielsen]

Plus Palace have pretty much got the same team they had under Hodgson.  Vieira has improved that team by coaching and working with the players he's inherited - Gerrard meanwhile is prattling on about spending more money.

This is true. If you ignore the 12 players they brought in and the 15 players they shipped out. But, those 27 aside, pretty much the same team.

[Risso]

I already pointed that out Scott! It’s been the week for making things up, from John McGinn’s player of the year award last year to Dean Smith buying all young players compared to Gerrard’s old guard.

[Nunkin1965]

Plus Palace have pretty much got the same team they had under Hodgson.  Vieira has improved that team by coaching and working with the players he's inherited - Gerrard meanwhile is prattling on about spending more money.

This is true. If you ignore the 12 players they brought in and the 15 players they shipped out. But, those 27 aside, pretty much the same team.

Brilliant.
The Gerrard debate is exactly that.
As always with any football team and manager it's up for debate.
But some opinions are downright plain bonkers.

[ChicagoLion]

I already pointed that out Scott! It’s been the week for making things up, from John McGinn’s player of the year award last year to Dean Smith buying all young players compared to Gerrard’s old guard.

Season ticket prices are going up massively aswell.

[kippaxvilla2]

Plus he has got a lower win percentage ratio than Lampard.

[Scott Nielsen]

I already pointed that out Scott! It’s been the week for making things up, from John McGinn’s player of the year award last year to Dean Smith buying all young players compared to Gerrard’s old guard.

You did, indeed. I got triggered and could not hold back!

[pauliewalnuts]

He needs to ditch either Watkins or Ings. Put Buendia back in, and concentrating on creating the ten+ chances that either of our misfiring strikers seem to need to score one goal.

This.

[curiousorange]

Plus he has got a lower win percentage ratio than Lampard.

Having played more games, and one of them not being Borehamwood.

[Dave P]

It was the Konsa from his first season, before lockdown, where I wasn't in the slightest bit convinced and felt he was too lightweight to be effective.

I thought he was pretty good in that first season considering his age and lack of PL experience, a star in the making. At this point though i'm wondering whether i was a bit hasty with my optimism.

On Saturdays showing I think you may have been. He’s out of form currently and I’m struggling to see why he was bought back into the team over Chambers who’d been rock solid in the 3 wins.

Chambers was shite v West Ham hence lost his spot.

Yet Konsa has been shite since and kept his.

I don't remember Chambers being particularly bad against West Ham either.

Well no, nor me.