Newcastle v Villa Post Match Thread

[Beard82]

I was watching rugby league on Saturday and the checking of offsides is literally one quick look "yeah they look onside". No need for zooming in and lines and the like. We should adopt the same approach in football.

Yeah Agreed - like in Cricket, where there is empires call, cos its too close for the tech to be able to say for certain what would happen.  In those cases, revert to the on-pitch decision.

Its not perfect, but neither is the solution we have now.  And the solution we have now is open to corruption, kills the excitment of the game and is just replacing one persons opinion with another.

[dave.woodhall]

I was watching rugby league on Saturday and the checking of offsides is literally one quick look "yeah they look onside". No need for zooming in and lines and the like. We should adopt the same approach in football.

Yeah Agreed - like in Cricket, where there is empires call, cos its too close for the tech to be able to say for certain what would happen.  In those cases, revert to the on-pitch decision.

Its not perfect, but neither is the solution we have now.  And the solution we have now is open to corruption, kills the excitment of the game and is just replacing one persons opinion with another.

Please tell me that's not a typo and rugby league really does have an emperor.

[Meanwood Villa]

I was watching rugby league on Saturday and the checking of offsides is literally one quick look "yeah they look onside". No need for zooming in and lines and the like. We should adopt the same approach in football.

Yeah Agreed - like in Cricket, where there is empires call, cos its too close for the tech to be able to say for certain what would happen.  In those cases, revert to the on-pitch decision.

Its not perfect, but neither is the solution we have now.  And the solution we have now is open to corruption, kills the excitment of the game and is just replacing one persons opinion with another.

Please tell me that's not a typo and rugby league really does have an emperor.

T'emperor

[RamboandBruno]

I stupidly celebrated the goal on Sunday, yet again, my 11 year old son wouldn’t celebrate in case of a VAR decision. That should be the reason VAR is binned. How did we all become obsessed with football and the Villa and what are our memories from childhood. Mine are a blurry image of Pete Withe scoring a far post header against the Albion, or later McInally running past half the Millwall Team in a half empty Villa Park on a cold Wednesday night in the late 80s.
My son is Villa mad, has been a season ticket holder since the championship years and ive been taking him regularly since the relegation season (child cruelty).
He literally thinks and is cautious about celebrating every goal now, in case some twat with felt tip pens chalks it off (and we were both at Old Trafford where they had 3 goes at it). Whats his memories going to be like in 30 years, ‘oh yea remember that time we equalised in the cup at Old Trafford and some middle aged man with his stencil pack ruled it out’.
The way the technology is being employed is ruining the game. However bad Watkins is playing at the moment, his toe being ahead of the defender is not offside.

[sid1964]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

[ChicagoLion]

I stupidly celebrated the goal on Sunday, yet again, my 11 year old son wouldn’t celebrate in case of a VAR decision. That should be the reason VAR is binned. How did we all become obsessed with football and the Villa and what are our memories from childhood. Mine are a blurry image of Pete Withe scoring a far post header against the Albion, or later McInally running past half the Millwall Team in a half empty Villa Park on a cold Wednesday night in the late 80s.
My son is Villa mad, has been a season ticket holder since the championship years and ive been taking him regularly since the relegation season (child cruelty).
He literally thinks and is cautious about celebrating every goal now, in case some twat with felt tip pens chalks it off (and we were both at Old Trafford where they had 3 goes at it). Whats his memories going to be like in 30 years, ‘oh yea remember that time we equalised in the cup at Old Trafford and some middle aged man with his stencil pack ruled it out’.
The way the technology is being employed is ruining the game. However bad Watkins is playing at the moment, his toe being ahead of the defender is not offside.

completely agree it has changed the match day experience beyond belief.

[The Edge]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

That they'll completely ignore in the same way as they are now. I'm still amazed that the club's haven't more vocal about these unelected chumps having such a negative stranglehold on the game. I guess the perception that the top clubs are getting the majority of beneficial decisions might influence things but it takes 14 clubs to force the debate so surely there's enough clubs with a grievance to speak up.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

That they'll completely ignore in the same way as they are now. I'm still amazed that the club's haven't more vocal about these unelected chumps having such a negative stranglehold on the game. I guess the perception that the top clubs are getting the majority of beneficial decisions might influence things but it takes 14 clubs to force the debate so surely there's enough clubs with a grievance to speak up.

I think the clubs (and particularly the 14 you refer to) have to be stronger in effecting change to var.
The fans are unhappy, but a poor var decision which affects one team benefits another, so fans will never be together on this at one time. Even neutrals don't give a sh-t over a poor decision if their team isn't involved.
Without the clubs taking a stand I can't see any positive change.

[Risso]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

That they'll completely ignore in the same way as they are now. I'm still amazed that the club's haven't more vocal about these unelected chumps having such a negative stranglehold on the game. I guess the perception that the top clubs are getting the majority of beneficial decisions might influence things but it takes 14 clubs to force the debate so surely there's enough clubs with a grievance to speak up.

I think the clubs (and particularly the 14 you refer to) have to be stronger in effecting change to var.
The fans are unhappy, but a poor var decision which affects one team benefits another, so fans will never be together on this at one time. Even neutrals don't give a sh-t over a poor decision if their team isn't involved.
Without the clubs taking a stand I can't see any positive change.

I'd rather the mm offside goals were given to be honest, even if against us. Everybody wants to see more goals scored, and so the ridiculous position with offsides is ruining football in two ways. It's chalking off goals that would have been given in previous years, and it's stopping the spontaneity of the joy of celebrating a goal.

[mrfuse]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

That they'll completely ignore in the same way as they are now. I'm still amazed that the club's haven't more vocal about these unelected chumps having such a negative stranglehold on the game. I guess the perception that the top clubs are getting the majority of beneficial decisions might influence things but it takes 14 clubs to force the debate so surely there's enough clubs with a grievance to speak up.

I think the clubs (and particularly the 14 you refer to) have to be stronger in effecting change to var.
The fans are unhappy, but a poor var decision which affects one team benefits another, so fans will never be together on this at one time. Even neutrals don't give a sh-t over a poor decision if their team isn't involved.
Without the clubs taking a stand I can't see any positive change.

I'd rather the mm offside goals were given to be honest, even if against us. Everybody wants to see more goals scored, and so the ridiculous position with offsides is ruining football in two ways. It's chalking off goals that would have been given in previous years, and it's stopping the spontaneity of the joy of celebrating a goal.

Yeah I totally agree and VAR need to be given a minimum amount of time say 5-10 secs to look at it with the naked Eye and return the answer to the ref Instantaneously.

That way we still might celebrate and it not be given but it would only be the same as not seeing the assistant referees flag.

[LeeB]

You could tell by the lino's reaction on Sunday he'd seen the line and seen it as onside

[amfy]

I would imagine that at the end of the season there will be further rule changes regarding offside and VAR

That they'll completely ignore in the same way as they are now. I'm still amazed that the club's haven't more vocal about these unelected chumps having such a negative stranglehold on the game. I guess the perception that the top clubs are getting the majority of beneficial decisions might influence things but it takes 14 clubs to force the debate so surely there's enough clubs with a grievance to speak up.

I think the clubs (and particularly the 14 you refer to) have to be stronger in effecting change to var.
The fans are unhappy, but a poor var decision which affects one team benefits another, so fans will never be together on this at one time. Even neutrals don't give a sh-t over a poor decision if their team isn't involved.
Without the clubs taking a stand I can't see any positive change.

I'd rather the mm offside goals were given to be honest, even if against us. Everybody wants to see more goals scored, and so the ridiculous position with offsides is ruining football in two ways. It's chalking off goals that would have been given in previous years, and it's stopping the spontaneity of the joy of celebrating a goal.

Yeah I totally agree and VAR need to be given a minimum amount of time say 5-10 secs to look at it with the naked Eye and return the answer to the ref Instantaneously.

That way we still might celebrate and it not be given but it would only be the same as not seeing the assistant referees flag.

Yep - VAR was brought in to stop those decisions that left us raging. If Newcastle had scored Ollie’s goal, none of us would have actually thought it was any kind of travesty if it had been given.

On the other hand, we would have been pissed off by the ‘penalty’ which was really a free kick - so the ones like those that you can see immediately, maybe there is some value to? (We would never have known that the free kick was going straight in anyway!)

On balance though - I’d take been angry about the penalty like we used to over this joy hoover.

[Meanwood Villa]

Good point re the penalty. That was a clear and obvious error so VAR worked in that situation.

The offside thing is odd because it is meant to be black and white, either on or off, but no-one is happy with how it is administered as far as I can tell.

[Clampy]

Good point re the penalty. That was a clear and obvious error so VAR worked in that situation.

And that's exactly the kind of situation it was brought in for. It corrected a ref's obvious mistake. The offside, they just took over and gave what they wanted too. We saw the best and the worst of it.

[Beard82]

Good point re the penalty. That was a clear and obvious error so VAR worked in that situation.

The offside thing is odd because it is meant to be black and white, either on or off, but no-one is happy with how it is administered as far as I can tell.

That’s because the offside rule is not designed the level of analysis that VAR buts it under.   If it’s visible by the naked eye then fine but otherwise go with the on field decision