Newcastle v Villa Post Match Thread

[simon ward 50]

My son forced me to watch the match yesterday on Sky! I definitely felt duped!

[Smithy]

Emi was at fault for the free kick. He's almost touching his left hand post when the ball is kicked. Whereas keeper positions the wall someone should be assigned to look at keeper's position as well.

it was him lining up Buendia in no mans land that was the problem

I've had a bugbear about keeper's walls for years now, they're always the wrong side. I'm sure there's plenty of data suggesting otherwise, but I think the wall should cover the far and not near side of the goal. If the keeper stands nearside, the ball has to travel further over the wall potentially giving a split second extra to get to it.

You're assuming free-kicks at the near and far side are hit at the same pace, but that's not true.  An extra couple of yards distance gives the free-kick taker the option of hitting it harder and the ball has more distance to move (and will move) with spin.  Also, why would you give a player a free-hit at a less-protected near-side? They're a little bit closer, and with no wall in the way can hit it at the closer target that much much harder.  Yes, the goalkeeper is that side, but it feels like a slightly more difficult penalty.  If someone is going for pure power, I want them aiming at the furthest point possible.

If the wall does its job, a goal is probably the result a keeper mistake. If a free-kick taker can get it over a wall and under the bar, they probably score - and that's harder to do the closer you are.

[Deano's Mullet]

Lots of gloating Geordies on the internet today. Apparently we didn’t soothe our relations with them by singing “we sent you down” yesterday. A few Bluenoses too, they can’t beat us on the pitch themselves so they have to hitch onto when other teams do it. We’re all plastic Brummies apparently says a nose who lives in Cannock!

[mrfuse]

I'm still fuming about this match.

I try and find a positive spin from most games involving the Villa but there wasn't one encouraging word I can find about that shower of Shit display. The players should be made to pay for the expenses of the traveling fans that had to make that difficult journey, only to be rewarded with the absolute disgusting performance.

We can talk about our shambolic set pieces and how we didn't line up the wall properly or the Fact that Douglas Luiz just decides to take every free kick and cant even keep it on the pitch. We can talk about Formations not really working for us or that we are missing a defensive midfielder but we couldn't even pass the ball to nearest player yesterday.

Was it my imagination but did McGinn take a free kick and literally pass it to a Newcastle player standing 2 feet in front of him?
We signed all these decent players that are technically good on the ball and our plan seems to be give it Mings to hoof up the field.

I'm not even sure where we go from this performance it was that demoralising. If we don't beat Watford on Saturday then there is no hope for us.

The only positive thing to say about Villa at the moment is the players on loan are doing well.

[LeeB]

Emi was at fault for the free kick. He's almost touching his left hand post when the ball is kicked. Whereas keeper positions the wall someone should be assigned to look at keeper's position as well.

it was him lining up Buendia in no mans land that was the problem

I've had a bugbear about keeper's walls for years now, they're always the wrong side. I'm sure there's plenty of data suggesting otherwise, but I think the wall should cover the far and not near side of the goal. If the keeper stands nearside, the ball has to travel further over the wall potentially giving a split second extra to get to it.

You're assuming free-kicks at the near and far side are hit at the same pace, but that's not true.  An extra couple of yards distance gives the free-kick taker the option of hitting it harder and the ball has more distance to move (and will move) with spin.  Also, why would you give a player a free-hit at a less-protected near-side? They're a little bit closer, and with no wall in the way can hit it at the closer target that much much harder.  Yes, the goalkeeper is that side, but it feels like a slightly more difficult penalty.  If someone is going for pure power, I want them aiming at the furthest point possible.

If the wall does its job, a goal is probably the result a keeper mistake. If a free-kick taker can get it over a wall and under the bar, they probably score - and that's harder to do the closer you are.

Good effort but I remain utterly unconvinced.

[RamboandBruno]

We beat Everton 3 weeks ago.

And we didn't play particularly well in that one either.

Bit of moving the goalposts there It seems to me you were making leaps along the lines of, we draw with Leeds, Everton beat Leeds, we’re worse than both Leeds and Everton (despite them both being lower in the table). You’ve then moved the goalposts to suit your point.
As Ads pointed out we beat Everton a couple of weeks ago, we were easily the better team in the first half against them and held them off reasonably comfortably in the second half. Your original point really doesn’t stand up.

[Hookeysmith]

Not read all posts  until tomorrow but I'm afraid time is up for the undropables

Mcginn
Luiz
Watkins

If not then the beady eye of blame will turn directly towards Gerrard
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Not read all posts  until tomorrow but I'm afraid time is up for the undropables

Mcginn
Luiz
Watkins

If not then the beady eye of blame will turn directly towards Gerrard

What? That’s ridiculous, I think SG needs more than a January transfer window and 3 months in charge before “the beady eye of blame” come on ffs

I am sorry - i really like SG and his openness and honesty about things but

Stevie Wonder can see that the likes of Luiz, McGinn and Watkins are just not doing it - never mind a coach who was one of the greatest midfielders in a generation

So yes - it is expected he gets to grips with it

[Ditton33]

I know we were rubbish yesterday and deserved to get nothing from the game, but
VAR IS DOING MY HEAD IN!!!
Can someone just explain to me. Does every goal scored have to reviewed by VAR before its allowed? Surely if a team scores and they is no linesmans flag, and the opposing team are not surrounding the ref crying off side, or handball and the ref hasn't blown his whistle then thats a goal isn't it?  Does the ref have to ask VAR to review if he's usure, or do VAR  just take it on themselves to review regardless of the onfield officials? If they have to start drawing on lines to measure the thickness of a shoelace then thats not a 'clear and obvious' error. VAR was not meant to forensically examine every goal looking for a reason to dissallow it, its completely ruining the game. I'm seriously think about abandoning football altogether if they don't change the way VAR is used during matches. You can't even celebrate a goal anymore until VAR has given it the all clear, and if the instant pleasure of your team scoring is taken away, whats left?

[ChicagoLion]

Yes every goal is reviewed.
Offsides are supposedly - Objective - a  matter of fact so the "clear and obvious error" does not apply.

[Risso]

Yes every goal is reviewed.
Offsides are supposedly - Objective - a  matter of fact so the "clear and obvious error" does not apply.

It still pisses me off. It would be fair enough if VAR for offside was using some advanced laser/radar/hawkeye technology that measured where players were at the precise moment the ball left a player's boot, but what we've actually got is some eejit sat miles away using his judgement and drawing lines using the digital version of a felt tip pen and ruler, with all the problems of parallax, perspective and angles etc that that entails.

[Simon Page]

Just be thankful we're not still in the Ceefax age. You'd celebrate a goal on one rotation then five minutes later find it's been chalked off.

I think they may as well just play the game and tell us the result a week later when they've rewatched it 40 times at 1/1000th speed. That'll stop teams trying to sit on a lead. See, there's a ready reason for all kinds of fuckwitted schemes.

[Ditton33]

Well thats very depressing. Its interesting how they have adjusted the law slightly with regard to handball, but will not allow the same leaway to the offside rule. Its just black and white, you're either on of offside. Not that you gain any particular advantage if the toe of your boot is in an offside position anyway. Its nonsense!

[eamonn]

Can't see how West Ham's goal "headed" by the arm of their centre back is allowed whereas Ollie, who uses his head to score, is denied due to a languid foot. The Barcodes defender they measured him against, knows bugger-all about what's about to happen. It's not as if he's trying to play him off. All seems down to luck. 

[clash city rocker]

At present we are the best 12th team in the prem. The table  never lies.

[LeeB]

Can't see how West Ham's goal "headed" by the arm of their centre back is allowed whereas Ollie, who uses his head to score, is denied due to a languid foot. The Barcodes defender they measured him against, knows bugger-all about what's about to happen. It's not as if he's trying to play him off. All seems down to luck. 

It's bollocks, what advantage does Watkins gain? One tiny part of him is offside, the other 90% is on.

Maybe they can use that, if less than 50% of body mass is off the goal stands.


Or maybe they could host fuck the whole shitshow off and accept it's added nothing, absolutely nothing, to the game and just serves to piss people off and ruin entertainment.