Aston Villa 3-3 Leeds United Post Match Thread

[Beard82]

15 minutes amazing - rest really poor.

Still feels like more questions than answers in this, as had been all season under both managers.

Think we need 3 wins from the next 4 otherwise this season will really peater out. 

I know were always biased - but for my money our squad is better than 10th. 

We just seem too soft, and god knows how we have managed to make two england international center forwards become shit.

Worried there is an element of emperiors new clothes about this all

[Axl Rose]

Mings with one of the worst defensive performances in a long time
Luiz utterly anonymous
McGinn not much better
Konsa uncharacteristically poor
Watkins contributed absolutely nothing.

We were lucky to get a point from that.

Some scintillating attacking play puncturing great swathes of midfield and defensive ineptness.

Summed up perfectly.

[Stu82]

Mings can be the hero last ditch defender, but he has so many clangers in him, how can that leeds player beat him at half time, because he didn't jump he just lent in, crap.
We lost our threat second half by trying to tighten up at the back. Should have been 3 points

[mrfuse]

We all know McGinn is great - what has happened to him?

I think hes been restricted because Doug isint really a DM.

[PaulWinch again]

Mings with one of the worst defensive performances in a long time
Luiz utterly anonymous
McGinn not much better
Konsa uncharacteristically poor
Watkins contributed absolutely nothing.

We were lucky to get a point from that.

Some scintillating attacking play puncturing great swathes of midfield and defensive ineptness.

Summed up perfectly.

I think Konsa and Mings were pretty much on a par - both were terrible tonight.

[AGRIPPA]

There was a game management issue today on the pitch. At 3-1 approaching half-time we should have just killed it but we had a centre-half surging forward. We needed clearer heads - ultimately that’s what cost us the game.

But he had absolutely no options….he had to carry the ball on

[brontebilly]

Farce really, from 3-1 up against that Leeds team to draw 3-3 and finish with 10. Really worried about our coach to be honest. Reminiscent of Deano. Timing of changes, selection of subs, no tactical changes. Our players got no help from the sideline at all for the second game in a row.

Magic moments from Coutinho and Ramsey. Buendia got us going early on when we were getting schooled. Those three aside performances verged from average to rotten. Mings with arguably his worst performance for the club though I recall Bamford embarrassing him in this fixture previously. Leeds fully deserved a point, missing their three best players.

Martinez 5 - looked shaky from set pieces, Mings bailed him out for one
Cash 5 - stop diving in please, fine assist for first but part of a hopeless defensive unit
Konsa 2 - didn't block shot for the first and got worse from there, ending in farce. Horror show
Mings 1 - at fault for three goals, saved one in fairness. Thinks he's Maldini with the ball. Drinky levels performance
Digne 5 - missed a sitter and average throughout really
Luiz 3 - horror first half, won tackle that set up third, half hearted at best
McGinn 4 - can't pass a ball to save himself. In team on reputation only and has been for weeks
Ramsey 8 - two brilliant finishes and driving runs. Couldn't get him involved in second half
Coutinho 8 - started poorly and then a magic spell. Fitness still a problem
Watkins 4 - see McGinn, rotten again.

Chucky 4 - nowhere near ready to be first sub in. Poor decision again from Gerrard
Young 3 - a walking red card, embarrassing cameo.

Gerrard 3 - really bad. Team didn't look ready at all for Leeds first 20 minutes. 3-2 at half time and we were cowardly in the second half I thought. Stupid subs, leaving experienced players like Sanson and Ings on bench is ridiculous when we badly needed them on the pitch. No tactical shift.

[Legion]

Mings with one of the worst defensive performances in a long time
Luiz utterly anonymous
McGinn not much better
Konsa uncharacteristically poor
Watkins contributed absolutely nothing.

We were lucky to get a point from that.

Some scintillating attacking play puncturing great swathes of midfield and defensive ineptness.

This.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Disappointed! Expected the win and got a fortunate draw in the end. Excepting the 15 minute spell where Coutinho and Ramsey were on fire we were generally poor. That's 2 home games running where we've relied on two 15 minute spells for the sum total of 2 points. The system we're attempting to play won't work unless we've got a strong dcm and this wasn't addressed in the transfer window. We had approx 35% possession in the first half and this only improved by 2-3% after half time. 4 shots on target all game and 3 of those came in the 15 minutes before half time. 1 shot on target for the other 75 mins!. Playing like the away team  at VP won't win games. All this against a lowly injury riddled Leeds doesn't make good reading.

[RichardBatchelor]

Farce really, from 3-1 up against that Leeds team to draw 3-3 and finish with 10. Really worried about our coach to be honest. Reminiscent of Deano. Timing of changes, selection of subs, no tactical changes. Our players got no help from the sideline at all for the second game in a row.

Magic moments from Coutinho and Ramsey. Buendia got us going early on when we were getting schooled. Those three aside performances verged from average to rotten. Mings with arguably his worst performance for the club though I recall Bamford embarrassing him in this fixture previously. Leeds fully deserved a point, missing their three best players.

Martinez 5 - looked shaky from set pieces, Mings bailed him out for one
Cash 5 - stop diving in please, fine assist for first but part of a hopeless defensive unit
Konsa 2 - didn't block shot for the first and got worse from there, ending in farce. Horror show
Mings 1 - at fault for three goals, saved one in fairness. Thinks he's Maldini with the ball. Drinky levels performance
Digne 5 - missed a sitter and average throughout really
Luiz 3 - horror first half, won tackle that set up third, half hearted at best
McGinn 4 - can't pass a ball to save himself. In team on reputation only and has been for weeks
Ramsey 8 - two brilliant finishes and driving runs. Couldn't get him involved in second half
Coutinho 8 - started poorly and then a magic spell. Fitness still a problem
Watkins 4 - see McGinn, rotten again.

Chucky 4 - nowhere near ready to be first sub in. Poor decision again from Gerrard
Young 3 - a walking red card, embarrassing cameo.

Gerrard 3 - really bad. Team didn't look ready at all for Leeds first 20 minutes. 3-2 at half time and we were cowardly in the second half I thought. Stupid subs, leaving experienced players like Sanson and Ings on bench is ridiculous when we badly needed them on the pitch. No tactical shift.

‘Cowardly?’

Good grief.

[rob_bridge]

I’m not really sure what McGinn’s role is now. He’s not good at defending and he’s not doing anything creative. He’s a complete passenger.

I was telling my Owls fan mate at recent social gathering that McGinn has a reputation which far exceeds his usual performance

[BC Villain]

Gerrard 3 - really bad. Team didn't look ready at all for Leeds first 20 minutes. 3-2 at half time and we were cowardly in the second half I thought. Stupid subs, leaving experienced players like Sanson and Ings on bench is ridiculous when we badly needed them on the pitch. No tactical shift.

Gerrard needs some serious questions asked of him tonight.  We've had over two weeks without a competitive fixture, yet we looked woefully under prepared tonight.  Smith (and Bruce for that matter) got hammered for not being able to manage games on the fly, but Gerrard doesn't seem to be able to either.

[Legion]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12537782/aston-villa-and-leeds-united-share-six-goals-in-villa-park-draw

[rob_bridge]

Gerrard 3 - really bad. Team didn't look ready at all for Leeds first 20 minutes. 3-2 at half time and we were cowardly in the second half I thought. Stupid subs, leaving experienced players like Sanson and Ings on bench is ridiculous when we badly needed them on the pitch. No tactical shift.

Gerrard needs some serious questions asked of him tonight.  We've had over two weeks without a competitive fixture, yet we looked woefully under prepared tonight.  Smith (and Bruce for that matter) got hammered for not being able to manage games on the fly, but Gerrard doesn't seem to be able to either.

Exactly. What the fuck were they doing in that time?
Mings was saying how great everything is just the other day

[markeeeebeeee2005]

I really enjoyed that as a spectacle which I'm surprised I'm saying after we threw away the lead. But thought there was some great finishing from both sides and a lot of aggression.