Steven Gerrard - yes or no

[algy]

4/4/3
Players played in position

That’s all I ask.

Love 4-4-3. 12 players. Unless you have Emi in that back 4. In which case that's shit

We replaced Joe with 3 players, so I’d imagine we’d be 4-5-3 or maybe 4-6-2

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.

What a load of melodramatic nonsence.

We're hiring a manager who is doing well at his current club.  He plays a shape that suits us and has a well regarded backroom team.  If he does very well there's a chance he will move on in maybe 3 years.  If he's done well enough to get the Liverpool job, who gives a fuck if he's leaving us in a better place?

How many managers have we had who've lasted more than 3 years anyway?  How many managers in the PL have been in their role more than 3 years?

It's not my favoured appointment but this sort of hysterical bullshit is ridiculous.  Get a fucking grip.

Haha well that’s predictable coming from you.
So on a football forum I’m not entitled to an opinion when 80% on this thread are probably thinking something similar and you chose to react to my post? Haha
Should I run my posts past you first to vet them before I submit them?
If you’re an adult grow up some more. If you’re a child get back to your homework.

[Dave P]

This is absolutely not a dig at anyone, merely an observation about the H&V ecosystem, which concerns Villa matters only rather than politics etc. It always seems to be the same group of posters who take position X and another take position Y. The same people, with opposing views, on practically every issue. How the eff does that happen?!

Is it an Owls and Gibbons thing?

[Small Rodent]

Reasonable opinions vs unreasonable opinions is my opinion in X and Y

[Clive W]

So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.

I’m in my 70s now so heaven forbid the outbreak of WW3 I’m unlikely to receive the call to arms

If it does come, however, I hope to God I don’t find myself next to you in the trenches

[martin o`who??]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

[Malandro]

So it looks like liverpool's next manager will be appointed to the hotseat at VP. Things were looking good and optimistic there for a while regarding the Villa, but now we're back amongst the also-rans and the teams making up the numbers avoiding the sinkhole of relegation for the foreseeable future. Appointing gerrard is a lazy appointment. It's a vanity appointment by purslow who is increasingly looking like he's not up to the job of ceo. It's an appointment made in liverpool for the future benefit of liverpool. It's a stepping stone appointment. He doesn't get AVFC and he won't get the fans. SG's claret and blue army, it is not. The sh-te pundits or press will be all over gerrarrrrrrd like a rash. If things are going well it will be SG’s Aston Villa (you’re having a laugh!). When things are not going well it will be Aston Villa only, so as to not tarnish gerrarrrrrd’s reputation. His appointment is based on nothing!
Yes liverpool's next manager has a playing profile, but he has no creditable managerial profile and that's what matters. Spuds sack their manager and go out and get Conte. We sack ours and install someone who hasn't earned a single point in the English leagues as manager and very little in the spl (1 title in 3 seasons in the mighty spl?) Aston Villa is better than that to chance the club to someone who is only finding his feet in management.
Outside the scab 6, Leicester knew to get success they needed to appoint proper managers (Ranieri and Rodgers) and in so doing managed title and cup successes. In appointing gerrard we are miles away from the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (when/if they get their act together) and possibly Everton and that's without mentioning the scab 6.
Top 10 will only be a dream with the threat of relegation and a fractured club more likely. I'm Villa through and through and will always support the 11 players out on the pitch. Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.

I’m in my 70s now so heaven forbid the outbreak of WW3 I’m unlikely to receive the call to arms

If it does come, however, I hope to God I don’t find myself next to you in the trenches

70s! 85 and under will be fighting.

[Mister E]

So it looks like liverpool's next manager ... Ideally I like to support the dugout as well, but this appointment makes that very difficult.

Lots of assumptions and judgements in that extended paragraph!

[paul_e]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.

Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how  it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.

[PeterWithe]

He wont necessarily have had to set our world alight to get the Liverpool job. He might get it whatever happens.

[gpbarr]

Dean Smith : "They sacked  me for Steven F***ing Gerrard??? "

Steven Gerrard : They sacked Dean Smith for me??? What the fuck were they thinking.....

[usav]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

You won't get far with that kind of common sense around here.

[Clive W]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.

Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how  it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.

I agree to a certain extent but then the realistic alternative names that people opposed to Gerrard propose have nearly all failed and been sacked - some more than once

I posted here yesterday that back in Harold Wilson’ s day someone said “all political careers end in failure”

The same appears to be true in football management with the exception of SAF and Wenger - although even the latter outstayed his welcome

[Beard82]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.

Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how  it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.

Yes - I agree - its not that we all think its going to be a car crash, but just we should be aiming a lot higher

[paul_e]

This appointment  - like absolutely any other appointment  - will either work or it won't. No managerial appointment is guaranteed to be a success and our next - regardless of who it is - is no exception. I totally get it that people are concerned that we may be a stepping-stone to Anfield but if Gerrard leaves the club in a better shape than he found it then so be it. For my part I welcome him as a World class player and a man making a name for himself in the cut-throat world of football management. Plenty of top-level ex players have been a success in the dug-out and Gerrard certainly has the air of a man who will handle it - wherever it may be.

Literally no one is saying any choice is a sure thing. Everyone that isn't happy with Gerrard is aware that he could work out fine.

Think of it like betting on the horses, you can either look at the form guide and pick a horse based on how  it's run at the same track in similar conditions, who the jockey is, etc or you can pick the one with a name you like. Which of the 2 gives you the best chance at winning the bet? The people who are a bit annoyed (t varying degrees) by this are concerned that Purslow has done the equivalent of the latter. We may be wrong and there might be some very good reasons why they've gone this way but from the outside it looks a lot like his level of fame has been the decisive factor.

I agree to a certain extent but then the realistic alternative names that people opposed to Gerrard propose have nearly all failed and been sacked - some more than once

I posted here yesterday that back in Harold Wilson’ s day someone said “all political careers end in failure”

The same appears to be true in football management with the exception of SAF and Wenger - although even the latter outstayed his welcome

Again true but no history of failure is one of the things that worries me about him, he's never had to worry about turning around a run of defeats (like we're on) in the middle of a season because the nature of scottish football meant he was never more than a couple of games away from one where anything but a straight-forward win was highly unlikely.

Mistakes and failures teach you as much as victories and it's something he just doesn't have enough experience of because of where he's been so far.