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Offline paul_e

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #300 on: November 02, 2021, 10:01:31 AM »
Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.
Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.
Spurs are acting like a big club.

that's a bit of a meaningless comparison really, if Tottenham were in the bottom half of the championship right now do you think Conte would be interested? When Smith goes we'll be able to judge more accurately how big a draw we can be because we now have a solid midtable at worst squad, loads of money in the bank and a reputation for spending what's needed. If we go for someone cheap and simple then the citicism will be fair.

I suspect it'll be someone either with a decent record (like Fonseca) or someone younger that they think can become a top manager pretty quickly. I'd prefer the former but the latter would see them applying the player recruitment strategy to the manager and I'd be ok with that.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #301 on: November 02, 2021, 10:02:53 AM »
I'm not expecting an elite manager who has won lots of trophies but I do want someone who has shown they can address the problems we have currently, someone who

- has shown consistency at the top level, over the course of a season or two has demonstrated that they can deal with the ups and downs of injuries and player departures and barring the odd blip has been able to avoid any horror runs, finishing comfortably top half at least
- has shown flexibility in terms of squad rotation and tactics, with strong game management
- has produced teams that have a clear identity, a way they seek to create chances that isn't reliant on set pieces or one world class player

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #302 on: November 02, 2021, 10:03:04 AM »
Hasenhutll would be very meh, IMO, a lot of Southampton fans want him gone and he loses 9-0 every year. Svenssson seems to be getting suggested on the basis of four good months at top flight level. He could be good or he could just be having a good run before he gets found out like Chris Wilder. Would be a massive gamble.

Dean Smith had never finished higher than 9th in the Championship when we brought him in. He was a gamble and has done OK, up to a point. I think with the owners we have we can trust them to do the right thing.

Maybe. But the nagging doubt of Purslow liking the DJ beating twat won't go away.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #303 on: November 02, 2021, 10:06:13 AM »
Any new manager can be a gamble. Look at Everton. On paper two good managerial appointments. Not looking great at the moment. If we let go of DS,

I still think Potter would be the safest gamble. We have seen what he can do. And that, on a limited budget. He plays good football and is gaining respect as an up and coming coach.

If I was to exercise wishful thinking, Brendan Rodgers would be a top appointment, but he has absolutely no reason to leave Leicester.

I’m not anti-foreign coaches but I’m skeptical…

Absolutely no to Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Howe, Wilder, etc

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« Reply #304 on: November 02, 2021, 10:11:50 AM »
Trouble is in the Premiership at least you've got what I call the cannon fodder managers. Basically the 14 or so clubs who a successful manager means keeping them in the Premiership. The question is can they push on with better players/more money where 11th is a meh season with our expectations? There's not many with that track record other than the potential to do it which isn't much different from Smith. Ranieri's done it  and i'd be confident of him getting a tune out of our players but that's about it out of the managers where we can offer a major step-up to the clubs they're at.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #305 on: November 02, 2021, 10:25:37 AM »
There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.

I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #306 on: November 02, 2021, 10:35:18 AM »
Purslow has had one appointment and regardless where we are today smith was a successful appointment. He got us back in the premier league and kept us there. Unfortunately the owners and the fans have higher aspirations than just staying up and this is the probelm. If we were Burnley lets say smith could remain in post. However we are not and the bighest problem is smith cannot take us to the next level.

I have confidence in purslow and lange to get the nwxt appointment right. For me "staying british" is over rated. Only rodgers and moyes are doing a deent job. All the remaining top sides have foreign coaches. I want a european manager if smith goes.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #307 on: November 02, 2021, 10:37:34 AM »
There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.

I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Of course Potter would come for the right offer.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #308 on: November 02, 2021, 10:40:04 AM »
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There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.

I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Of course Potter would come for the right offer.

He might do if the spurs, Newcastle jobs get filled.

Im not that keen on potter to be honest. Although he jas done well there i dont think he is a big enough name for where we need to go.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #309 on: November 02, 2021, 10:40:44 AM »
Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.
Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.
Spurs are acting like a big club.

They were in 'advanced talks' with Conte, Gattuso and Fonseca in the summer, on the verge of appointing each of them only for the talks to collapse through lack of agreement on policy and fan backlash respectively. They then appointed Nuno. Now they've gone back to Conte and clearly given him what he asked for but didn't get last time. Not sure that's particuarly decisive really.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #310 on: November 02, 2021, 10:41:08 AM »
Potter seems a bit meh to me. Plus, he should be Stoke manager.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #311 on: November 02, 2021, 10:43:29 AM »
Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.
Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.
Spurs are acting like a big club.

They were in 'advanced talks' with Conte, Gattuso and Fonseca in the summer, on the verge of appointing each of them only for the talks to collapse through lack of agreement on policy and fan backlash respectively. They then appointed Nuno. Now they've gone back to Conte and clearly given him what he asked for but didn't get last time. Not sure that's particuarly decisive really.
In comparison to us it is.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #312 on: November 02, 2021, 10:57:09 AM »
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.

Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.

Same here, don't see it with his record and didn't even win the league with Porto after they had won the previous 2. Would prefer Favre (or Svensson).

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #313 on: November 02, 2021, 11:02:30 AM »
I'm not expecting an elite manager who has won lots of trophies but I do want someone who has shown they can address the problems we have currently, someone who

- has shown consistency at the top level, over the course of a season or two has demonstrated that they can deal with the ups and downs of injuries and player departures and barring the odd blip has been able to avoid any horror runs, finishing comfortably top half at least
- has shown flexibility in terms of squad rotation and tactics, with strong game management
- has produced teams that have a clear identity, a way they seek to create chances that isn't reliant on set pieces or one world class player


Trouble with that is likes of Nuno (two top 7 finishes), Dyche (got Burnley into europe which was minor miracle and has clear style of play) and arguably Eddie Howe would all qualify under that criteria.

Think it's best to look abroad really.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #314 on: November 02, 2021, 11:04:53 AM »
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.

Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.

Same here, don't see it with his record and didn't even win the league with Porto after they had won the previous 2. Would prefer Favre (or Svensson).

Yes to Favre. No to Svensson, completely unproven.

 


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