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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #240 on: November 01, 2021, 01:49:31 PM »
Demitri has been summing up my feelings as well, though I must say peaks at this thread make me more cautious. Lampard? Gerrard? Are we ever going to be at the vanguard of this god damn sport? We have every advantage an up and coming club could hope for, and we keep settling for old-fashioned, for British mediocrity, for back-to-basics. We're screaming, screaming for a revolutionary presence like a Pochettino or a Klopp, and we keep settling for this BBC 1 rubbish.

Precisesly.

But we should also remember that we've "gone foreign" before and it hasn't worked. Therefore it never will.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #241 on: November 01, 2021, 01:49:41 PM »
If we sack Smith and get it wrong, we'll be in danger of being relegated.

That's the concern, aye.

Potting Smith because he doesn't seem capable of giving us the consistency to push for Europe is a fair argument. Every season with us (and with Brentford before) there are these sort of runs.

But equally - based purely on what he he's done so far with us - I'd back him to keep us up as a minimum.

The caveat to that being I don't know if he's lost some/ most of the dressing room (or any similar dial-a-cliché).

If he has, it's different to the previous occasions where his job was supposedly under threat.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #242 on: November 01, 2021, 01:55:49 PM »
Demitri has been summing up my feelings as well, though I must say peaks at this thread make me more cautious. Lampard? Gerrard? Are we ever going to be at the vanguard of this god damn sport? We have every advantage an up and coming club could hope for, and we keep settling for old-fashioned, for British mediocrity, for back-to-basics. We're screaming, screaming for a revolutionary presence like a Pochettino or a Klopp, and we keep settling for this BBC 1 rubbish.

Precisesly.

But we should also remember that we've "gone foreign" before and it hasn't worked. Therefore it never will.

Shit! You're right. Bollocks to that then.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #243 on: November 01, 2021, 02:00:07 PM »
Easier said than done, I appreciate BUT if we are to replace Smith then the conversation really shouldn't be centred around those who are 'available'.  This project needs the right people in the right jobs, so if the best person for that job needs obtaining from a job they currently hold, then we need to move heaven and earth to get them.  If we want to be big, now is the time to start thinking it.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #244 on: November 01, 2021, 02:13:29 PM »
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process. 

Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason.  Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #245 on: November 01, 2021, 02:57:09 PM »
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process. 

Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason.  Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?

Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #246 on: November 01, 2021, 03:08:29 PM »
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process. 

Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason.  Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?

Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.

I'd go further and say it's what most would expect. The big advantage we offer is we consult with the Head Coach on purchases and he will have the first and final call.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #247 on: November 01, 2021, 03:13:14 PM »
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process. 

Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason.  Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?

Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.

I'd go further and say it's what most would expect. The big advantage we offer is we consult with the Head Coach on purchases and he will have the first and final call.

I agree, I think this structure pushes us more towards a foreign manager than a traditional English one.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #248 on: November 01, 2021, 05:38:07 PM »
Can’t believe nobody has said African car reverser for manager yet? WTF people. Shame on you...

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #249 on: November 01, 2021, 05:41:57 PM »
Can’t believe nobody has said African car reverser for manager yet? WTF people. Shame on you...

Looking back on things,  you're probably right.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #250 on: November 01, 2021, 06:04:43 PM »
Lets stay clear of Nuno

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #251 on: November 01, 2021, 06:05:58 PM »
Things have been going wrong for a year now but now is not the time to ditch the manager. A lot of Villa's woes are not his fault. If we want a team of International players we have to expect them to go and play for their country and miss the odd game or two. Not the managers fault. Injuries can happen at any time. Not the managers fault. Loss of form, Covid, personal issues etc not the managers fault. Of course he is not blameless. 5 at the back was a disastrous plan. However there remains no clear improvement available so stick with him. Rally round, work harder, train better and hope for a change of luck next time out. 

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #252 on: November 01, 2021, 06:06:51 PM »
I'd go all put to bring Nuno to the Club Immediately. 

You used to be my favourite poster.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #253 on: November 01, 2021, 06:08:16 PM »
Things have been going wrong for a year now but now is not the time to ditch the manager. A lot of Villa's woes are not his fault. If we want a team of International players we have to expect them to go and play for their country and miss the odd game or two. Not the managers fault. Injuries can happen at any time. Not the managers fault. Loss of form, Covid, personal issues etc not the managers fault. Of course he is not blameless. 5 at the back was a disastrous plan. However there remains no clear improvement available so stick with him. Rally round, work harder, train better and hope for a change of luck next time out.

Pretty much what I heard about Lambert and Bruce.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #254 on: November 01, 2021, 06:20:33 PM »
Things have been going wrong for a year now but now is not the time to ditch the manager. A lot of Villa's woes are not his fault. If we want a team of International players we have to expect them to go and play for their country and miss the odd game or two. Not the managers fault. Injuries can happen at any time. Not the managers fault. Loss of form, Covid, personal issues etc not the managers fault. Of course he is not blameless. 5 at the back was a disastrous plan. However there remains no clear improvement available so stick with him. Rally round, work harder, train better and hope for a change of luck next time out.

Pretty much what I heard about Lambert and Bruce.
Smith has had more success than both Lambert and Bruce

 


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