Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[SoccerHQ]

Lets be honest, we can't come up with a nailed on realistic candidate so I can understand the club wavering over the selection of a "may do better than Smith" candidate. Plenty in the "maybe would come if he was promised 250m in transfers and 6m a year in salary" range but our we in that market?

Depends what the criteria is.

I mean I just want for us this season to actually look like we could finish 9th or 10th (improvement on last season after losing our best player) so I can't believe there's no manager out there who couldn't achieve that. Of course though aim is eventually to push for top 6.

I see it a bit like Spurs getting in Conte. He's unlikely to get them top 4 this season but will have six months to at least look at the squad and make changes and then properly kick on in August so we have same potential if we make a change in next few weeks.

[sickbeggar]

There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to

[SoccerHQ]

There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to

True but alternatively we get in someone now who can at least work out what the hell we want to do in final third e.g. do we keep picking two strikers with one wide or is it purely Watkins or Ings leading the line? Where does Bailey play? Where does Buendia play?!!!! These are questions someone needs to solve sooner or later.

If we can work it out then we should have strong end to the season and so we can kick on next season with reasonably solid final third options all being settled in a coherent style of play.

We're miles off that currently and it's showing on the pitch every week.

[Mister E]

There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to

Nah, I think your last assertion is flawed, because they've done the 'manager from a smaller club' thing. The only exception might be Potter, but I suspect they'll be  looking more widely than that.

[sickbeggar]

There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to

True but alternatively we get in someone now who can at least work out what the hell we want to do in final third e.g. do we keep picking two strikers with one wide or is it purely Watkins or Ings leading the line? Where does Bailey play? Where does Buendia play?!!!! These are questions someone needs to solve sooner or later.

If we can work it out then we should have strong end to the season and so we can kick on next season with reasonably solid final third options all being settled in a coherent style of play.

We're miles off that currently and it's showing on the pitch every week.

yeah i'm sure there's a candidate who can sort out a system that can get the best out of our existing players if Smith can't. My point is you're limited to an extent by the ambition of the club and the clout of the new guy. Say we get a Fonseca or a Potter. Can they demand a 30m midfielder  in January or will they be told you can have him in the summer and just keep us in the Premiership till them or we'll try and arrange a loan deal for someone. I'm sure whatever Conte has been given as a target this season, he made sure the cash was there before he signed up

[sickbeggar]

There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to

Nah, I think your last assertion is flawed, because they've done the 'manager from a smaller club' thing. The only exception might be Potter, but I suspect they'll be  looking more widely than that.

I hope so but it still comes down to whether they're looking for a guy who will make do with the present squad or a guy who can demand significant funds now to sort out the flaws in our squad currently. An established name with a history of winning stuff won't take the gig unless that side is in place. Why would he? The likes of Fonseca or Potter may because the risk of not having the clout to demand funds will be overrided by the opportunity.

[Toronto Villa]

I want a manager who is smart enough to not only have different tactics to start a game based on who we are playing. Who is able to use all of his players in the squad. And who is astute enough to change things up at any time during a game if things aren’t going to plan or even if they are and the game status warrants it. And when things don’t go to plan he doesn’t immediately point to the players as the obvious reason why.

And finally doesn’t assume fans are fucking dopes with no knowledge of the finer points of the game. And that like him him, we know 35% possession and no shots on goal isn’t a great stat.

[ozzjim]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

[Rigadon]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

We can't compete with the likes of Spurs. 

[VinnieChase84]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

Think the long term acceptance he may not be the man to take us to Europe has been the decision made

[Toronto Villa]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

We can't compete with the likes of Spurs. 

compete? We made Alex McLeish one of the top paid managers in the world at the time with RL's money. We can compete with any team pretty much when it comes to salary. It's a question of ambition. I would hope Spurs are never more ambitious than us.

[paul_e]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

Think the long term acceptance he may not be the man to take us to Europe has been the decision made

It wouldn't shock me if, privately, the decision has been made that this is Smith's last season (barring a miracle run to Europe from here) and all that's left to debate is how much of it he sees out. It would, to me, suggest that they have a clear idea of who comes in and are willing to wait for him unless things really fall apart.

[Rigadon]

All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.

Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.

We can't compete with the likes of Spurs. 

compete? We made Alex McLeish one of the top paid managers in the world at the time with RL's money. We can compete with any team pretty much when it comes to salary. It's a question of ambition. I would hope Spurs are never more ambitious than us.

Was tongue in cheek.  Agree most of a clubs allure is linked to perceived ambition of the owners and available funds (one and the same thing these days).   The fact that they are a London club works in Spurs favour to some degree.

What else goes into it?  Current squad and position in the league?  Youth set up...? 

Whatever, Spurs have Conte.

[Steve67]

If the board have decided that Dean Smith is not the man to take us into Europe, if he gets this season, are they like to give him any more money in order to completely stave off any kind of relegation battle. As plain as the nose on our face we can all see that we need a strong and physical defensive central midfielder. Will they give him the money to go and purchase one in January?

[ozzjim]

Lange might buy one. Smith would then have to use him. But once that becomes more of a Lange purchase and not collaborative, you are essentially showing him the door.