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Offline Scott Nielsen

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2580 on: November 10, 2021, 01:32:15 PM »
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?

I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.

I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2581 on: November 10, 2021, 01:35:03 PM »
So it's the staff now. Amazing the number of reasons for hiring Gerrard which aren't 'there's evidence he's a good manager.'

With the greatest respect I would suggest that you do not understand management

To be a good manager does not require you to be an expert in every aspect of the job

I have worked with a brilliant CEO who didn’t understand finance, but relied on me to provide the necessary input

Good management is making sure you have the required calibre of people around you

Thanks for the revelations. Having never had a job I had no idea.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2021, 01:37:54 PM by Monty »

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2582 on: November 10, 2021, 01:36:15 PM »
It'll probably all end in tears, but fuck it I'm going to get excited about it. Otherwise what's the point - moan that everything will be shite and wait to be proved right? If he can get the team on the front foot, win a couple of games and get some of the kids in the team things will start looking up again.

Exactly. On top of that I have a contrary streak too, and I think this relentless negativity has had the opposite effect on me.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2583 on: November 10, 2021, 01:36:44 PM »
SG will end up in the premier league before long. I think it is interesting, that he appeared to rule himself out of other jobs (Newcastle?) but not ours. Maybe he knows we are serious.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2584 on: November 10, 2021, 01:38:11 PM »
So it's the staff now. Amazing the number of reasons for hiring Gerrard which aren't 'there's evidence he's a good manager.'

With the greatest respect I would suggest that you do not understand management

To be a good manager does not require you to be an expert in every aspect of the job

I have worked with a brilliant CEO who didn’t understand finance, but relied on me to provide the necessary input

Good management is making sure you have the required calibre of people around you

Thanks for the revelations.

What did you think of that Sky article, Monty? A glimmer of hope? Or further proof of how poor a decision it would be to bring him on?

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2585 on: November 10, 2021, 01:39:03 PM »
Sky article was indeed a glimmer of hope. It was peppered liberally with phrases like 'League Cup exit to St. Mirren', however.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2586 on: November 10, 2021, 01:39:07 PM »

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Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
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To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.

As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2587 on: November 10, 2021, 01:39:54 PM »
It'll probably all end in tears, but fuck it I'm going to get excited about it. Otherwise what's the point - moan that everything will be shite and wait to be proved right? If he can get the team on the front foot, win a couple of games and get some of the kids in the team things will start looking up again.

Exactly. On top of that I have a contrary streak too, and I think this relentless negativity has had the opposite effect on me.

Indeed.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2588 on: November 10, 2021, 01:40:33 PM »
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?

I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.

I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.

Does it not precede DS though?

It’s been my impression, not scientifically backed up, that over the last few seasons, no matter who our opponents are, we always seem to struggle for fitness - even against lower league opposition.

Maybe it’s because, generally speaking, our ball retention has been so poor that we end up having to do more chasing

Offline Scott Nielsen

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2589 on: November 10, 2021, 01:42:33 PM »
Sky article was indeed a glimmer of hope. It was peppered liberally with phrases like 'League Cup exit to St. Mirren', however.

Chose hope. I like you but you are bumming me out, man.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2590 on: November 10, 2021, 01:44:18 PM »
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?

I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.

I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.

Does it not precede DS though?

It’s been my impression, not scientifically backed up, that over the last few seasons, no matter who our opponents are, we always seem to struggle for fitness - even against lower league opposition.

Maybe it’s because, generally speaking, our ball retention has been so poor that we end up having to do more chasing

I think we looked like on of the fittest teams in the league for the first half of last season, that's a big part of why I still think the covid outbreak had as much of a derailing effect as losing Grealish did, we haven't looked the same in our pressing since then. What finally pushed me over to wanting Smith out was the fact that he seemed to give up on trying to get back there.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2591 on: November 10, 2021, 01:47:20 PM »


Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
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To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.

As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
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We were regularly in the top 5, playing in Europe, outside title challenger in the 90s and two of our favourite managers of that era came from Leicester and Wycombe. I think some of the comments about Gerrard's inexperience are harsh.

Again, he isn't my first choice, but he has managed Rangers for three seasons.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2592 on: November 10, 2021, 01:48:17 PM »
I've chosen hope. I'm hoping that we abandon this ridiculous preoccupation with someone because they're famous and get someone in who is a proven manager.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2593 on: November 10, 2021, 01:48:56 PM »


Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?

To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.

As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
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We were regularly in the top 5, playing in Europe, outside title challenger in the 90s and two of our favourite managers of that era came from Leicester and Wycombe. I think some of the comments about Gerrard's inexperience are harsh.

Again, he isn't my first choice, but he has managed Rangers for three seasons.
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And won one out of the nine available trophies in that time.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2594 on: November 10, 2021, 01:49:13 PM »
I'm not sure what's going on with the quotes above.

 


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