Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.

[tomd2103]

I thought we were at our best when down to 10. There was a shift in momentum after the ref failed to play advantage when El Ghazi was through. I thought he was going to send West Ham player off given he stopped it. He then did play advantage a minute later and West Ham had their third, scored by the player who fouled Nakamba of course.

We had a decent little spell after we went down to 10 men, where some of our players decided to get after the opposition and we began to win the ball back in their half.  During that spell though, Targett was left two on one at the back from one of our own corners, but nothing came of it.  Shortly after, the same thing happened again and this time they did make it 3-1 and we gave up the ghost.

We were so passive when not in possession in the first half and I just couldn't understand why McGinn in particular dropped in so deep, marking nobody and leaving Rice and Soucek so much room. Not bringing in a quality defensive midfielder in during the window looks very costly.

[Meanwood Villa]

Thinking about their third actually, was it Targett who pulled Antonio down by his neck just before it? If so, he was lucky to stay on. Would have been rubbing salt in the wound I guess.

[RamboandBruno]

If you watched that game and surmised that Buendia was ‘very good’ then I can only assume you don’t have eyes. He was diabolical. Absolutely weak as piss and reminds me of Carles Gill, too lightweight for the premier league. 

He did well to set up our goal. Apart from that, meh.

He did but any remaining modicum of credit in the bank for that evaporated when he stormed off down the tunnel. I hope he gets fucking dropped for that

What? Should he be pleased at being substituted? If it was me I'd rather go and get in the shower than sit around on the bench stinking. Some people have decided they hate Buendia and will find any old reason to have a go at him. He wasn't brilliant today, but was still one of our better players, and shouldn't have been substituted.

What do you mean ‘what’ ? It’s fine to disagree without patronising me but in my view you stay on the bench and you don’t fuck off down the tunnel like a petulant child.  He was absolutely awful and would probably have been hooked anyway given his performance. As for ‘some people have decided….’ I’ve no issue with Buendia whatsoever, I’d love him to do well, but you stay on the bench you don’t storm off.

I said "what" as fail to see why anyone would care whether a substituted player walks off or stays on the bench. Substituted players leave early all the time, you see that corner of the Lower Trinity clapping them off. You've decided to make an issue out of nothing.

Weve lost 3 in a row, we’re 2-1 down at home in the 4th game and our best defender has just got sent off. The manager has no choice but to take off one of the 3 forwards off and Beundia despite setting up the goal , was the least effective of the three. With the team, club and manager under huge pressure, i think it is petulant and is a fairly big deal given the on going situation.
If we were 2-0 up or on a run of 3 wins in a row no real problem, but doing it as he did adds to the sense theres disharmony.
He’s certainly not made enough of a name for himself in the premier league to be doing a diva act.

[BC Villain]

I thought we were at our best when down to 10. There was a shift in momentum after the ref failed to play advantage when El Ghazi was through. I thought he was going to send West Ham player off given he stopped it. He then did play advantage a minute later and West Ham had their third, scored by the player who fouled Nakamba of course.

We had a decent little spell after we went down to 10 men, where some of our players decided to get after the opposition and we began to win the ball back in their half.  During that spell though, Targett was left two on one at the back from one of our own corners, but nothing came of it.  Shortly after, the same thing happened again and this time they did make it 3-1 and we gave up the ghost.

We were so passive when not in possession in the first half and I just couldn't understand why McGinn in particular dropped in so deep, marking nobody and leaving Rice and Soucek so much room. Not bringing in a quality defensive midfielder in during the window looks very costly.

It's damning that in three years with the money that's been spent that we STILL haven't addressed the need for a good defensive midfielder

[cdbearsfan]

If you watched that game and surmised that Buendia was ‘very good’ then I can only assume you don’t have eyes. He was diabolical. Absolutely weak as piss and reminds me of Carles Gill, too lightweight for the premier league. 

He did well to set up our goal. Apart from that, meh.

He did but any remaining modicum of credit in the bank for that evaporated when he stormed off down the tunnel. I hope he gets fucking dropped for that

What? Should he be pleased at being substituted? If it was me I'd rather go and get in the shower than sit around on the bench stinking. Some people have decided they hate Buendia and will find any old reason to have a go at him. He wasn't brilliant today, but was still one of our better players, and shouldn't have been substituted.

What do you mean ‘what’ ? It’s fine to disagree without patronising me but in my view you stay on the bench and you don’t fuck off down the tunnel like a petulant child.  He was absolutely awful and would probably have been hooked anyway given his performance. As for ‘some people have decided….’ I’ve no issue with Buendia whatsoever, I’d love him to do well, but you stay on the bench you don’t storm off.

I said "what" as fail to see why anyone would care whether a substituted player walks off or stays on the bench. Substituted players leave early all the time, you see that corner of the Lower Trinity clapping them off. You've decided to make an issue out of nothing.

Weve lost 3 in a row, we’re 2-1 down at home in the 4th game and our best defender has just got sent off. The manager has no choice but to take off one of the 3 forwards off and Beundia despite setting up the goal , was the least effective of the three. With the team, club and manager under huge pressure, i think it is petulant and is a fairly big deal given the on going situation.
If we were 2-0 up or on a run of 3 wins in a row no real problem, but doing it as he did adds to the sense theres disharmony.
He’s certainly not made enough of a name for himself in the premier league to be doing a diva act.

I didn't see any diva act. I saw a disappointed player walking off. Would you rather he had a big smile on his face? Didn't Bacuna used to get slaughtered for that?

Criticise players' performances, if you feel they deserve it. Trying to find some unlicensed body language to take offence at is a bit desperate, though.

[martyn ellis]

so Dean out and then what? I can't believe some of the negativity on here. People have cried out for Smith to change the system - he does it today and makes some brave changes. We take a while to get into the game after a defensive and goalkeeping error and then lose one of our more promising players through injury. Then we get back into the game with a very good goal with some great work from Buendia, who on here are saying was 'awful. Their second is poor on Villa's part but we are well in the game until a poor decision to send off Konsa who was trying to get out of the way of Bowen with Young the covering defender in any event. Then we pretty much dominate West Ham for 15 minutes and hit the bar, before our determination to get an equaliser results in over-exposure with Fornals, who shouldn't have been on the pitch, netting. All over. On another day we could easily have drawn or even won that game, so lt's lay off Dean a bit and let him and his team work on ways of getting this team to gell.

[RamboandBruno]

If you watched that game and surmised that Buendia was ‘very good’ then I can only assume you don’t have eyes. He was diabolical. Absolutely weak as piss and reminds me of Carles Gill, too lightweight for the premier league. 

He did well to set up our goal. Apart from that, meh.

He did but any remaining modicum of credit in the bank for that evaporated when he stormed off down the tunnel. I hope he gets fucking dropped for that

What? Should he be pleased at being substituted? If it was me I'd rather go and get in the shower than sit around on the bench stinking. Some people have decided they hate Buendia and will find any old reason to have a go at him. He wasn't brilliant today, but was still one of our better players, and shouldn't have been substituted.

What do you mean ‘what’ ? It’s fine to disagree without patronising me but in my view you stay on the bench and you don’t fuck off down the tunnel like a petulant child.  He was absolutely awful and would probably have been hooked anyway given his performance. As for ‘some people have decided….’ I’ve no issue with Buendia whatsoever, I’d love him to do well, but you stay on the bench you don’t storm off.

I said "what" as fail to see why anyone would care whether a substituted player walks off or stays on the bench. Substituted players leave early all the time, you see that corner of the Lower Trinity clapping them off. You've decided to make an issue out of nothing.

Weve lost 3 in a row, we’re 2-1 down at home in the 4th game and our best defender has just got sent off. The manager has no choice but to take off one of the 3 forwards off and Beundia despite setting up the goal , was the least effective of the three. With the team, club and manager under huge pressure, i think it is petulant and is a fairly big deal given the on going situation.
If we were 2-0 up or on a run of 3 wins in a row no real problem, but doing it as he did adds to the sense theres disharmony.
He’s certainly not made enough of a name for himself in the premier league to be doing a diva act.

I didn't see any diva act. I saw a disappointed player walking off. Would you rather he had a big smile on his face? Didn't Bacuna used to get slaughtered for that?

Criticise players' performances, if you feel they deserve it. Trying to find some unlicensed body language to take offence at is a bit desperate, though.

Id rather he sat down on the bench with the rest of the squad and show some unity during the match  in front of 40,000 supporters and then had a word with the manager in private about his frustrations.
With us losing games, players arguing at Arsenal, Sanson and the water bottle, the captain being dropped, it just doesn’t look good in that context. Maybe it was nothing or maybe it was something, either way it strikes me as ill disciplined. And actually i dont often criticise players for playing shite as long as they try, anyone can lose form for a whole host of reasons.

[pooligan]

For me,the fact that we had the likes of Targett,Young,Hause El Ghazi and Nakamba on the pitch at the end says it all for me None of these players are anywhere near good enough of the standard to compete in the Premier

[cdbearsfan]

Perhaps he was really pissed off and wanted to get away to avoid losing his temper and doing something stupid like the water bottle incident. Players kicking things or swearing at the manager is clearly going too far and disrespectful. I don't think walking off the pitch is, really.

[Ian.]

For me,the fact that we had the likes of Targett,Young,Hause El Ghazi and Nakamba on the pitch at the end says it all for me None of these players are anywhere near good enough of the standard to compete in the Premier

Targett was close to an England call up towards the end of last season. He’s started this season like the start of last season. I like him and still thinks he’s a good player, asking him to play wing back has really done him no favours at all.

In fact I think that system has knocked the confidence out of Konsa and Mings as well as Targett.

[Villan82]

so Dean out and then what? I can't believe some of the negativity on here. People have cried out for Smith to change the system - he does it today and makes some brave changes. We take a while to get into the game after a defensive and goalkeeping error and then lose one of our more promising players through injury.

With a quarter of the season gone, in our third season back, after a shit tonne of spending, we are in a relegation scrap and conceding goals for fun. of course people are concerned.

[adrenachrome]

For me,the fact that we had the likes of Targett,Young,Hause El Ghazi and Nakamba on the pitch at the end says it all for me None of these players are anywhere near good enough of the standard to compete in the Premier

Targett was close to an England call up towards the end of last season. He’s started this season like the start of last season. I like him and still thinks he’s a good player, asking him to play wing back has really done him no favours at all.

In fact I think that system has knocked the confidence out of Konsa and Mings as well as Targett.

I agree.

Konsa and Mings were sound in a back 4, and Targett was decent on the left. He was never a wing back. Matt Cash can do it on right side.

[KRS]

DS talking total crap in his post match interview about only having 8 players on the pitch for their third goal. I counted all 9 outfield players and Marv was near the half way line when our attack broke down before they hit us on the counter.

[robbo1874]

I’m usually glass half-full when it comes to Villa. But even I could see this result coming a mile off. Things don’t seem to be right at the club. I don’t think it’s just a case of the players aren’t playing for the manager. It’s more nuanced than that. Clearly Grealish going fkd us, although they knew about it and took measures to address it. The fkd up pre-season and injuries to the likes of Targett, Bailey and Sanson haven’t helped. I trust Smith to fix it, but those problems were pretty much outside of his control. We’ve not had a great deal of luck in games apart from Fernandes missing the penalty. But you can already see questions being asked. The coaching set up doesn’t seem right either. Smith is running out of time here. He has to hold his hands up to the formation decisions against Spurs, wolves and arsenal first half. Not sure if it’s the right time to start bringing players from the U23s in, but I’d certainly be thinking about it long and hard if my job was on the line, because the team is under-performing at the minute. I really hope he turns it round in the next few games. It’s not just Villa fans being fickle, get on a bad run like this- we’re talking 3+ goals a game we’re shipping, and any manager is under heavy pressure.

[robbo1874]

Suppose what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think it’s all Deano’s  fault, some of it is, but he’s the manager and has to find a way to fix it, else it’s cheerio.