Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.

[hipkiss92]

West Ham are a good side, but right from the first kick, we made it so, so easy for them.

We spent the entire summer stressing the need for a CDM, but didn't get one.

Watching that today, us with the enthusiastic but not good enough Nakamba in that role, and them with two absolute top class players in that role, that was horrible.

Then to make things worse, Ramsey goes off and is replaced by Ashley Fucking Young playing centrally? What on earth was the thinking there?

He then compounds the mistake when Konsa gets sent off by not hooking Young, but taking Buendia off.

That is Smith in a nutshell there. Terrible game management - so bad, that his actual coaching standard would need to be excellent to make up for it, but it clearly is not, as we frequently do not look like we know what we are doing.

I get the OGS comparisons - Smith does the same. Strings together a run of awful results, then picks up a highly unlikely win which buys him more time that he doesn't really deserve/ I just don't see any way he is going to get out of that cycle.

He's got a squad with plenty of really excellent players, but he constantly makes them look less than the sum of the parts. I also thought there were some real signs today that the players don't believe in him (same at Arsenal).

Over a quarter of the season gone and we're 15th and on the back of four straight, utterly limp defeats, three of which featured truly disgraceful performances.

How many of us would have settled for that in August? None of us. Nice bloke, and he's no doubt got enough excuses for today, but we are just pissing another season down the drain the longer we persist with this.

So throw in an 18 or 17 year old against one of the form teams in the country, to try and win the midfield battle against Rice and Soucek?

Buendia was awful for the majority of the game, so obvious candidate to go off when we need to bring on another centre half.

Agreed that the style.of play needs sorting out, where's the play through midfield we so often used to see from Smith at Brentford? All seems very long ball into the channel to Watkins.

Quarter of the season gone yes, but our away fixtures on paper were alway a struggle, with Watford first (promoted teams 1st game always a challenge), followed by Chelsea, United, Spurs and Arsenal.

3 very big games in November, but stilltoo early calling for Smith to go in my opinion. Those calling him a chancer and worse on other threads are way over the top.

[hipkiss92]

This is terribly similar to 2015/16 season. Not good I think we are in trouble.

It really isn't.

[hipkiss92]

No cohesion, no tactics, no urgency. Smith is hopelessly out of his depth. Stealing a living.

Christ, wouldn't want to ever have a job appraisal with you.

[Sexual Ealing]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

[wittonwarrior]

Take cash out the team today and it looked like a Sunday pub side.   Martinez obviously has things on his mind.  The certainty happened leave Mings out and we were all over the place at the back, midfield completely overran and no Danny ings  to hold things up

Buendia is a luxury no to be played when we are so far off form and Bailey perhaps better as an impact player

[aldridgeboy]

 :-*My first game for two years. Poor.

First half we were poor , and looked scared to press and go forward.
The injury meant Young coming on, and I though he was poor.

Hause had a good game I thought, as did Cash. Buendina great Assist, but quiet other than that. Same for Bailey.
Nkamba made some great tackles and a good effort , I just don’t think he has the quality for centre mid.

At 2-1 we hit the bar and I thought we were coming back into it. The the sending off which shafts us ( because we don’t seem to cope well with 10, yet when we play against 10 we struggle )

The we have a real break on and he calls it back. Then one of theirs assaults one of ours and gets a yellow. Predictably he then scores a minute or two later.   We seem to be in that run Deano has once a year. Fans seem to be turning.

I’d give him a few more games. He just about has enough credit for me for that. But time is running out.

[cdbearsfan]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

I'm waiting with bated breath for Flin5tone's. They'll be with us as soon as he's worked out how to do a minus sign on his phone.

[edgysatsuma89]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

I rate this post 9/10

[Stu]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

I know. The site used to have a separate forum for them.

[RamboandBruno]

The worst bit was the foul on Nakamba and the game was brought back when we were in an excellent threatening position and just get a free kick in our own half and they got 2 yellows when it should have been a minimum of 1 red to a player who subsequently scored their third! At that point our 10 were comfortably the better team and unlucky not to be level when we hit the bar, that’s the fucking disgrace - but it won’t be described like that. Cockney kit stealing, ground embezzling twats!

Completely agree. The crowd were really behind the team at that point and though it wasn’t full of quality it was full of heart, epitomised by Cash and Nakamba, however much of a limited player he is. The ref fucked us twice in that moment, not levelling out the playing field after a shocking tackle and not playing on.
Im as disappointed  as snyone, but im not sure i get any criticism over the subs today.

[pauliewalnuts]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

I'm waiting with bated breath for Flin5tone's. They'll be with us as soon as he's worked out how to do a minus sign on his phone.

Ha ha ha very good.

[richtheholtender]

The thing that amazes me is finding out that anyone on here reads anyone else's player ratings.

I'm waiting with bated breath for Flin5tone's. They'll be with us as soon as he's worked out how to do a minus sign on his phone.

Ha ha

[Footy-Vill]

Unlucky by many accounts
Feel for Smith as things were going wrong
Targett , Young were particularly poor
And Hause did something very rash

I though Bailey was a struggle but glimpses Watkins worked so hard and was very good as was Buendia

It was a very unlucky result and Deans comments after match were fine and reasonable because it wasn't a 4-1 defeat performance.
Shame for Ramsey getting injured and that changed things
Same for Red card for Konsa which it wasn't which saw Buendia get subbed.

On to Friday as we do have the quality there to turn things around.
I'll refuse to get carried away with coach changes because that was  alot better than the Arsenal match. 
Tough to take that as West Ham were poor

Up the Villa

[LukeJames]

I fully agree with Flint5tones verdict.

[Beard82]

It really shouldn’t have ended like this.  I hate this - I hate that Deans lost the team, I hate that he’s going to be sacked, I hate that Joe left - and most of all I hate the fact that I started to believe that this wasn’t all another false dawn