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Author Topic: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.  (Read 35927 times)

Offline Demitri_C

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2021, 06:54:34 PM »
No cohesion, no tactics, no urgency. Smith is hopelessly out of his depth. Stealing a living.

Zzzz. Glad you’re not my boss.

Barring the last sentence what has he said thats wrong?

Offline Ian.

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2021, 06:56:30 PM »
Absolutely shit, we’re so bad it’s hard to believe it’s the same personal from the Man Utd game.

Offline TonyD

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2021, 06:58:22 PM »
The game was done when he brought Young on.
Taking off Buendia was also truly dumb. 

Offline jwarry

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2021, 06:59:05 PM »
West Ham are a good side, but right from the first kick, we made it so, so easy for them.

We spent the entire summer stressing the need for a CDM, but didn't get one.

Watching that today, us with the enthusiastic but not good enough Nakamba in that role, and them with two absolute top class players in that role, that was horrible.

Then to make things worse, Ramsey goes off and is replaced by Ashley Fucking Young playing centrally? What on earth was the thinking there?

He then compounds the mistake when Konsa gets sent off by not hooking Young, but taking Buendia off.

That is Smith in a nutshell there. Terrible game management - so bad, that his actual coaching standard would need to be excellent to make up for it, but it clearly is not, as we frequently do not look like we know what we are doing.

I get the OGS comparisons - Smith does the same. Strings together a run of awful results, then picks up a highly unlikely win which buys him more time that he doesn't really deserve/ I just don't see any way he is going to get out of that cycle.

He's got a squad with plenty of really excellent players, but he constantly makes them look less than the sum of the parts. I also thought there were some real signs today that the players don't believe in him (same at Arsenal).

Over a quarter of the season gone and we're 15th and on the back of four straight, utterly limp defeats, three of which featured truly disgraceful performances.

How many of us would have settled for that in August? None of us. Nice bloke, and he's no doubt got enough excuses for today, but we are just pissing another season down the drain the longer we persist with this.

Can’t disagree with much of that mate, and I am the tee all optimist. But to be fair to Dean when the going has got tough in the past he has got going but I suspect he’s probably only got until Xmas to turn it around

Offline hipkiss92

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2021, 07:01:06 PM »
Embarrassing. As bad as the relegation year. Manager has got to go.

Were you there? This is nowhere near as bad.

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2021, 07:02:08 PM »
Why take Buendia off he made our only goal and looked up for it, Ashley has had his day. Our troubles started from trying to play out from the back against a hard press, we don't have the defenders with the skill level to do that. Dean proved again today that his time is up, the decision not to get a quality midfielder was a huge mistake.

Offline RichardBatchelor

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2021, 07:02:55 PM »
The worst bit was the foul on Nakamba and the game was brought back when we were in an excellent threatening position and just get a free kick in our own half and they got 2 yellows when it should have been a minimum of 1 red to a player who subsequently scored their third! At that point our 10 were comfortably the better team and unlucky not to be level when we hit the bar, that’s the fucking disgrace - but it won’t be described like that. Cockney kit stealing, ground embezzling twats!

Agreed but the ref is to blame. A balanced view of the game though. We deserved to lose, but not by 4-1.

Offline KRS

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2021, 07:03:42 PM »
Until Christmas?! He’ll be lucky to last this week on current performances and results. The vultures are quite rightly circling, and I wouldn’t at all blame the owners if they decided to pull the trigger now.

Offline Villatillidie25

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2021, 07:03:51 PM »
Very poor for the majority of the match. They started so passively it was untrue and gave away two pretty poor goals with Martinez a bit questionable on both.
Hause is the one that annoys me the most. Why he goes in to tackle Fornals with the outside of his boot and his back almost turned I’ll never know. Tackle him properly he wins the ball or at worst it pings off somewhere else and the Konsa trip never happens, absolutely shocking defending that he was v lucky not to get sent off for. That said, Konsa’ was never a red.
Cash, Watkins and probably Nakamba (although he’s so limited on the ball) probably the only 3 with any semblance of credit. I was really glad when we signed Buendia but he looks miles off the pace at the moment bar one moment of skill. Targett looks like the player we signed in the first season and could easily have got a red for his “tackle” on Antonio. Mcginn is fine if there’s at least one player next to him who can pass the ball, otherwise he’s a bit of headless chicken.

Offline RichardBatchelor

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2021, 07:04:12 PM »
West Ham are a good side, but right from the first kick, we made it so, so easy for them.

We spent the entire summer stressing the need for a CDM, but didn't get one.

Watching that today, us with the enthusiastic but not good enough Nakamba in that role, and them with two absolute top class players in that role, that was horrible.

Then to make things worse, Ramsey goes off and is replaced by Ashley Fucking Young playing centrally? What on earth was the thinking there?

He then compounds the mistake when Konsa gets sent off by not hooking Young, but taking Buendia off.

That is Smith in a nutshell there. Terrible game management - so bad, that his actual coaching standard would need to be excellent to make up for it, but it clearly is not, as we frequently do not look like we know what we are doing.

I get the OGS comparisons - Smith does the same. Strings together a run of awful results, then picks up a highly unlikely win which buys him more time that he doesn't really deserve/ I just don't see any way he is going to get out of that cycle.

He's got a squad with plenty of really excellent players, but he constantly makes them look less than the sum of the parts. I also thought there were some real signs today that the players don't believe in him (same at Arsenal).

Over a quarter of the season gone and we're 15th and on the back of four straight, utterly limp defeats, three of which featured truly disgraceful performances.

How many of us would have settled for that in August? None of us. Nice bloke, and he's no doubt got enough excuses for today, but we are just pissing another season down the drain the longer we persist with this.

I disagree. Buendia had to come off. He is beyond awful.

Offline cdbearsfan

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2021, 07:06:28 PM »
Buendia looked decent. Not great, but better than most of our players. Can only assume anyone saying otherwise had made their mind up before the kick off.

Offline pauliewalnuts

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2021, 07:07:12 PM »
West Ham are a good side, but right from the first kick, we made it so, so easy for them.

We spent the entire summer stressing the need for a CDM, but didn't get one.

Watching that today, us with the enthusiastic but not good enough Nakamba in that role, and them with two absolute top class players in that role, that was horrible.

Then to make things worse, Ramsey goes off and is replaced by Ashley Fucking Young playing centrally? What on earth was the thinking there?

He then compounds the mistake when Konsa gets sent off by not hooking Young, but taking Buendia off.

That is Smith in a nutshell there. Terrible game management - so bad, that his actual coaching standard would need to be excellent to make up for it, but it clearly is not, as we frequently do not look like we know what we are doing.

I get the OGS comparisons - Smith does the same. Strings together a run of awful results, then picks up a highly unlikely win which buys him more time that he doesn't really deserve/ I just don't see any way he is going to get out of that cycle.

He's got a squad with plenty of really excellent players, but he constantly makes them look less than the sum of the parts. I also thought there were some real signs today that the players don't believe in him (same at Arsenal).

Over a quarter of the season gone and we're 15th and on the back of four straight, utterly limp defeats, three of which featured truly disgraceful performances.

How many of us would have settled for that in August? None of us. Nice bloke, and he's no doubt got enough excuses for today, but we are just pissing another season down the drain the longer we persist with this.

I disagree. Buendia had to come off. He is beyond awful.

He wasn't looking so awful with the assist for our goal.

Offline RichardBatchelor

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2021, 07:07:25 PM »
No cohesion, no tactics, no urgency. Smith is hopelessly out of his depth. Stealing a living.

Zzzz. Glad you’re not my boss.

Barring the last sentence what has he said thats wrong?

What’s wrong mate is that this is simply a bad patch, after three years of Smith fulfilling the remit. This season is about restarting and that’s down to Grealish, not Smith.

Online LukeJames

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2021, 07:07:49 PM »
He thought Nakamba was MOM, blokes on a wind up.

Offline Stu

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Re: Aston Villa 1-4 West Ham Post match debacle.
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2021, 07:08:00 PM »
West Ham are a good side, but right from the first kick, we made it so, so easy for them.

We spent the entire summer stressing the need for a CDM, but didn't get one.

Watching that today, us with the enthusiastic but not good enough Nakamba in that role, and them with two absolute top class players in that role, that was horrible.

Then to make things worse, Ramsey goes off and is replaced by Ashley Fucking Young playing centrally? What on earth was the thinking there?

He then compounds the mistake when Konsa gets sent off by not hooking Young, but taking Buendia off.

That is Smith in a nutshell there. Terrible game management - so bad, that his actual coaching standard would need to be excellent to make up for it, but it clearly is not, as we frequently do not look like we know what we are doing.

I get the OGS comparisons - Smith does the same. Strings together a run of awful results, then picks up a highly unlikely win which buys him more time that he doesn't really deserve/ I just don't see any way he is going to get out of that cycle.

He's got a squad with plenty of really excellent players, but he constantly makes them look less than the sum of the parts. I also thought there were some real signs today that the players don't believe in him (same at Arsenal).

Over a quarter of the season gone and we're 15th and on the back of four straight, utterly limp defeats, three of which featured truly disgraceful performances.

How many of us would have settled for that in August? None of us. Nice bloke, and he's no doubt got enough excuses for today, but we are just pissing another season down the drain the longer we persist with this.

I disagree. Buendia had to come off. He is beyond awful.

Well then in that case, it's often the case that poor signings cost managers their jobs. Now what?

 


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