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Offline Ads

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« Reply #6855 on: June 24, 2026, 03:59:09 PM »
Factoring in debt would even things up, so no chance of that.

Yep. Income is a totally arbitrary metric. Why not choose another like debt? I mean, we know exactly why.

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« Reply #6856 on: June 24, 2026, 06:13:31 PM »
Factoring in debt would even things up, so no chance of that.

Yep. Income is a totally arbitrary metric. Why not choose another like debt? I mean, we know exactly why.

Do we? I mean, speaking personally, I’m absolutely mystified as to why the Big 6 don’t want it to become the Great 8, and why the other 12 clubs in the division don’t want the Big 6 to become the Great 8. What could their motivation possibly be? Why won’t they change the rules that serve 18 clubs in the interests of the other 2?

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« Reply #6857 on: June 24, 2026, 06:16:34 PM »
And then there are the UEFA rules. Can’t the bastards make it just a little bit easier for Villa to win the Europa League?

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« Reply #6858 on: June 24, 2026, 08:48:55 PM »
Having just read Rise of the Villans the inference was that UEFA were more receptive to considering changes than the Premier League.

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« Reply #6859 on: Today at 12:13:27 AM »

Link it to the lowest turnover club and the bigger clubs (including us) moan that they're being throttled and can't compete with European rivals. Link it to the highest turnover club and all the clubs lower down will end up having to spend more just to stay still.

Whichever way you try to do it, there are going to be 7 or more clubs that don't want it.

The best way I've seen of handling this is to link it to the lowest revenue team in the league (rolling average over several seasons), but allow teams to spend MORE if they pay a wealth tax - eg. for every 1M you spend over the limit, you have to put another 1M into a pool that gets returned to the entire pyramid. This means the wealthy can spend, but if they do the rest of the league(s) get a kind of 'catch up' payment.

The debate would, of course, then spread to how much the 'tax' is and how it's shared out.

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« Reply #6860 on: Today at 09:46:08 AM »

Link it to the lowest turnover club and the bigger clubs (including us) moan that they're being throttled and can't compete with European rivals. Link it to the highest turnover club and all the clubs lower down will end up having to spend more just to stay still.

Whichever way you try to do it, there are going to be 7 or more clubs that don't want it.

The best way I've seen of handling this is to link it to the lowest revenue team in the league (rolling average over several seasons), but allow teams to spend MORE if they pay a wealth tax - eg. for every 1M you spend over the limit, you have to put another 1M into a pool that gets returned to the entire pyramid. This means the wealthy can spend, but if they do the rest of the league(s) get a kind of 'catch up' payment.

The debate would, of course, then spread to how much the 'tax' is and how it's shared out.

Sounds socialist. I love it.

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« Reply #6861 on: Today at 09:51:12 AM »
There’s a “deep dive” into all this in the Daily Heil. I won’t post a link and it’s behind a pay-wall anyway, but I would like to read it if anyone could make that happen.

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« Reply #6862 on: Today at 09:57:14 AM »
What’s the headline? Not a subscriber but there’s a way I can get it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #6863 on: Today at 09:59:08 AM »
Its a Collomose piece I think  if that helps.

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« Reply #6864 on: Today at 10:00:47 AM »
Aston Villa v UEFA and how they can get out of their financial straitjacket: TOM COLLOMOSSE reveals the club's options that DON'T involve selling stars - and how they believe they can win their case
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By TOM COLLOMOSSE, FOOTBALL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 21:00 EDT, 24 June 2026 | UPDATED: 21:00 EDT, 24 June 2026
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Aston Villa's transfer strategy this summer will be determined in a boardroom in Switzerland as much as by Unai Emery and his recruitment team.
Emery is keen to strengthen his squad ahead of next season’s Champions League campaign but UEFA spending rules mean they have limited wriggle room.
Because Villa failed in 2024-25 to keep their football spending to 80 per cent of revenue, they were effectively put in special measures by UEFA for up to three years.
The closing days of this month will be crucial for Villa. The club were fined about £9.5m a year ago for breaching UEFA regulations and as part of their three-year settlement agreement, they must deliver a progress report to European football chiefs every six to 12 months.
The latest information was due to be handed to UEFA this month, with June 27 – the anniversary of the settlement agreement – the working deadline, though that could slip to June 30 as this is the final day of Villa’s 2025-26 accounting period.
Here Daily Mail Sport looks at the hoops Villa have to jump through to stay on the right side of the law...
Aston Villa had a season to remember in UEFA competition in 2025-26, winning the Europa League. But their transfer strategy this summer will now be partially determined by a boardroom in Switzerland
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Aston Villa had a season to remember in UEFA competition in 2025-26, winning the Europa League. But their transfer strategy this summer will now be partially determined by a boardroom in Switzerland
Unai Emery is keen to strengthen his squad ahead of next season’s Champions League campaign but UEFA spending rules mean they have limited wriggle room
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Unai Emery is keen to strengthen his squad ahead of next season’s Champions League campaign but UEFA spending rules mean they have limited wriggle room
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The £52m loophole
Last year’s ruling made gloomy reading for Villa but there are some chinks of light. While the settlement agreement states that Villa were allowed to spend less than £5m more than they earned on wages and transfers in the 2025-26 campaign, the devil is in the detail.
On the second page of the agreement, you find the following line. ‘The 2025 target can be increased up to a maximum of (£52m) if such an increase is entirely covered by either contribution or equity in the reporting period ending in 2025.’
In plain English, that means Villa are allowed to lose £52m across 2025-26 and 2026-27 as long as billionaire owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens inject at least that much during the relevant period. Sure enough, Villa’s accounts ending June 30, 2025 show a share issue of £93m.
Transfer spending alone is not the only indicator of whether Villa will meet their targets. Wages are another important factor and Villa’s salary bill has risen substantially under Emery, with all key players earning pay rises.
Yet transfers give at least some indication of where Villa stand. According to respected website transfermarkt, Villa spent about £60m on players in 2025-26 and sold about £50m worth. There were also new deals for Morgan Rogers, Boubacar Kamara, Matty Cash and John McGinn during the relevant period, though Philippe Coutinho’s £120,000-a-week wages did come off the books.
Talismanic midfielder John McGinn put pen to paper on a new contract back in November 2025
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Talismanic midfielder John McGinn put pen to paper on a new contract back in November 2025
 
Do Villa need to sell this month?
No. Every little helps so the departure of fringe players cannot be ruled out, but there is no pressure on Villa to allow Rogers to leave for below his market value just to keep UEFA happy – no matter what Arsenal or Chelsea may wish.
If Rogers leaves, Sawiris is determined that it will be for much more than £100m, and he will be keeping a close eye on Elliot Anderson’s likely move from Nottingham Forest to Manchester City for close to £130m. Sawiris will not be undercut.
But the pressure will intensify and Villa could really do with selling some of their unwanted players whose wages add to the overall cost. In 2026-27, as things stand, the settlement agreement states that Villa must break even on football trading. Rogers is the one player who would solve that problem at a stroke, while also giving Emery capacity to make proper improvements to the squad.
Could Villa keep Rogers for another season and sell him before June 30 next year? A great deal of water has to pass under the bridge. Football is unpredictable and nobody can be certain that in 12 months’ time, Rogers will still be worth what he is today.
For 2027-28, the target shifts again, with Villa required to make a profit on football trading. Yet in this case, UEFA have dangled a carrot – of which more later.
There is no pressure on Villa to allow England international Morgan Rogers to leave for below his market value just to keep UEFA happy
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There is no pressure on Villa to allow England international Morgan Rogers to leave for below his market value just to keep UEFA happy
 
Who will decide Villa’s fate?
A former Manchester United executive will be among those checking whether Villa’s sums add up – Michael Bolingbroke, who was chief operating officer at Old Trafford from 2007 to 2014. Bolingbroke has also worked for Inter Milan and Blackpool and is now chief executive of a company who deliver virtual Abba concerts.
He is part of the seven-strong club financial control body, who oversee the ‘application of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Sustainability Regulations’.
The body is chaired by Sunil Gulati, a former US Soccer chief and FIFA council member, and the punishments can be severe. Villa could face further fines or even expulsion from European competition if their financial figures do not meet UEFA requirements.
 
The tantalising prize
If Villa show UEFA they have delivered on their financial promises from 2025-27, they will be let off the hook for the 2027-28 campaign. Should Villa qualify for the Champions League again next term and the plans to increase the capacity of Villa Park stay on schedule, Sawiris and Edens hope finally to be able to flex their muscles.
It has long been a frustration for Villa that domestic and European spending rules prevent them from competing with the wealthiest clubs for signings.
It has long been a frustration for Villa that domestic and European spending rules prevent them from competing with the wealthiest clubs for signings
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It has long been a frustration for Villa that domestic and European spending rules prevent them from competing with the wealthiest clubs for signings
Should the plans to increase the capacity of Villa Park stay on schedule, club chiefs hope finally to be able to flex their muscles
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Should the plans to increase the capacity of Villa Park stay on schedule, club chiefs hope finally to be able to flex their muscles
Revenue is king in these situations and even though Tottenham have performed far worse than Villa over the last two seasons, they make nearly £200m more off the pitch and so can bid nearly £80m for Newcastle midfielder Sandro Tonali.
Similarly, Chelsea made a pre-tax loss of £262m for 2024-25 but because the Blues continue to generate huge revenue, they are in the market for Rogers.
Boosting the capacity of Villa Park will help Villa in this respect but the only way they can hope to compete with these rivals is to qualify for the Champions League year after year, with no interruptions. Doing so while in a financial straitjacket leaves them facing yet more tough choices.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #6865 on: Today at 11:02:31 AM »
^^ Thanks CH, much appreciated.

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« Reply #6866 on: Today at 11:24:20 AM »
There's clearly a tacit admission in most quarters that the rules are totally punitive to any upwardly mobile club without huge external income. It's what to do to slightly level the playing field that will never be agreed on. I still think long term Villa Park has to either grow again or be very significantly improved from a corporate protective, and hold many more external events to keep growing the income. London clubs have the huge advantage of London priced income too.

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« Reply #6867 on: Today at 11:33:08 AM »
Yes, I agree, we do need to keep growing the ground. The North is a big test, as everything is still on a knifes edge, we need to see it being maxed out to make further expansion look viable.

 


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