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[ChicagoLion]

Marc Guehi’s signing will likely take Manchester City’s spending to ~£500m in the last 12 months. All while we STILL await the verdict of their 115 potential financial breaches. Ah yes. Seems completely normal.

https://x.com/PatrickTimmons1/status/2012125110682227012

It’s looking more likely by the day the maximum punishment will be a transfer embargo and they know it. 10 years ought to go somewhere near levelling the playing field.

I don’t think they will get anything above a slap on the wrist rip but more likely it will be the PL drops the charges and UAE claim to be exonerated.

[Toronto Villa]

He’s also going to be on £300k a week.

[ozzjim]

With all we've sold, such a low bet spend and such a small squad, we must have some room soon to actually buy a couple of decent players!

[Percy McCarthy]

Ranking-based rewards can get properly fucked.

We will benefit from it this season whilst playing Europa.

Also, our increased TV appearances (all but two of our games in all competitions have been broadcast live, making us the most popular pick for the TV companies) are largely due to us playing on Thursdays instead of Tuesday/Wednesday in CL. Many prefer Saturday 3pm kick-offs but they’re not as lucrative.

We were on about the difference between CL and Europa League money a few pages back. All these extra TV games definitely help bridge that gap.

[Steve67]

Good point Percy. This could arguably turn out to be the clubs most profitable year in its history, if we win a top four place and a trophy.

[Chris Harte]

Also, our increased TV appearances (all but two of our games in all competitions have been broadcast live, making us the most popular pick for the TV companies) are largely due to us playing on Thursdays instead of Tuesday/Wednesday in CL. Many prefer Saturday 3pm kick-offs but they’re not as lucrative.

We were on about the difference between CL and Europa League money a few pages back. All these extra TV games definitely help bridge that gap.

It's not much of a bridge, given that we'd have been featured quite a bit anyway.

https://www.givemesport.com/premier-league-clubs-earnings-broadcast-revenue/

Without checking, we perhaps could expect to be where Brighton or Leeds are in the first table on the link. Surely not any lower. Extrapolate it out to cover a whole season and it might be in the region of £7.5 - £9m extra for the season, an amount that wouldn't adequately cover the CL League Stage flat fee of €18+m.

[Rigadon]

The rules kicking in as intended. Nice one.

[Chris Harte]

The latest edition of the Deloitte Football Money League is due out on Thursday. It'll be interesting to see what effect CL participation has on the figures, and what our wages/revenue ratio is now (not 96%, I'd imagine).

[JJ-AV]

The club are still very clearly in the midst of cost cutting and I think the approach of the last few years was even more reckless than it seems.

Yes we’ve had lots of success but they surely weren’t banking on back to back champions league qualification? We should qualify 2 years out of 3 and Europa in the other with a CL Q/F and to think we’re in this position financially is insane.

They’re coming good now but the decisions to sign Onana and Maatsen for a combined £90m and give Martinez a record contract, just after we’d sold Luiz seems crazy on reflection.

We have Tielemans, Konsa, Pau, Mings, McGinn, Digne and Watkins’ contracts all expiring in 2028. Only Konsa is likely to attract a massive fee there (unless we can get a Saudi bid for Tielemans). Pau could go back to Spain but I doubt will generate a massive transfer fee.

The club have done well on the pitch, we have no real right to be where we are currently considering the business and make up of the squad with glaring weaknesses.

Getting CL this season just has to be the focus now - and trying to get a loan or two to bolster the squad. Winning the Europa should be focus two as it will bring wealth and help us attract more loans but I feel utilising the loan market and signing young players has to be the focus for the next 18 months while we ride this storm out

[Percy McCarthy]

The latest edition of the Deloitte Football Money League is due out on Thursday. It'll be interesting to see what effect CL participation has on the figures, and what our wages/revenue ratio is now (not 96%, I'd imagine).

That was an anomaly anyway.

[Chris Harte]

The latest edition of the Deloitte Football Money League is due out on Thursday. It'll be interesting to see what effect CL participation has on the figures, and what our wages/revenue ratio is now (not 96%, I'd imagine).

That was an anomaly anyway.

It was thirteen months wages vs twelve months revenue, wasn't it?

[Percy McCarthy]

The latest edition of the Deloitte Football Money League is due out on Thursday. It'll be interesting to see what effect CL participation has on the figures, and what our wages/revenue ratio is now (not 96%, I'd imagine).

That was an anomaly anyway.

It was thirteen months wages vs twelve months revenue, wasn't it?

Thirteen months of both, but the month there was two of was June, so more or less normal wages*, low revenue.

*I obviously don’t know if it’s a month in which bonuses or whatever are paid.

[Percy McCarthy]

While the topic is current, something that might explain why players like Malen will be prime candidates to leave in future, supplanting the previous policy of pure profit. (How’s that for an alliteration)?

Under PL PSR, as we all know, academy products were the golden goose, because of the P in PSR - profit. Under SCR, this will swing more towards high earners, because of the SC in SCR - squad cost, whereas academy graduates will take years to become a problem salary wise.

Practically speaking, I think this was part of the reason the club would rather sell Malen for £20-odd-million, than Bogarde for about the same. That’s not to say we wouldn’t do both if the opportunity arises, just that when given a choice, under SCR, the big earner is the wiser financial option.

Bear in mind that PSR is currently being phased out of the PL to be replaced by closer alignment with UEFA SCR. I think it will be much better to adhere to one set of principles, rather than wrestling with two conflicting ones.

I think I recall Damia Vidigany moaning about sales that helped us under PSR, but hindered us in terms of SCR.

[BC54 VFC]

Wasnt it muted about naming the stadium "Fortress Villa Park" as Wes Edens owns a finance company with that name?

Who would vet that to say it would not be worth £500m?

I didn't hear anything about that

Lol

[Garyth]

Practically speaking, I think this was part of the reason the club would rather sell Malen for £20-odd-million, than Bogarde for about the same. That’s not to say we wouldn’t do both if the opportunity arises, just that when given a choice, under SCR, the big earner is the wiser financial option.

This.

I think it will take a while for supporters (not just us, all across the league) to come to terms with 'good' players more likely to be sold - they're contributing on the pitch, but they also make up a bigger chunk of the wage cost and thus make more of an impact on the bottom line than young inexperienced players.

Also, I'm pretty sure people will still be calling it PSR in 5 years time. We are slow to learn.