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Re: FFP
« Reply #5475 on: August 25, 2025, 02:31:00 PM »
There's a reason they let Newcastle & the untapped Saudi wealth into the Premier League & it justifies restrictions on spending.

They can't have state funded clubs, or anyone else, buying their way to the top table.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5476 on: August 25, 2025, 02:32:58 PM »
Spurs did before Man City did.

 Not much point comparing us to postcode lottery winners. Their income is always going to be greater than ours.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5477 on: August 25, 2025, 02:34:00 PM »
There's a reason they let Newcastle & the untapped Saudi wealth into the Premier League & it justifies restrictions on spending.

They can't have state funded clubs, or anyone else, buying their way to the top table.

Apart from Man City.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5478 on: August 25, 2025, 02:41:57 PM »
There's a reason they let Newcastle & the untapped Saudi wealth into the Premier League & it justifies restrictions on spending.

They can't have state funded clubs, or anyone else, buying their way to the top table.

Apart from Man City.
State ownership of football clubs is abhorrent and massively unfair on the competitors. Man City were allowed to buy their way to the top but that's the end of that now. They dont want anyone else being able to do it. Wasn't there going to be a government inquiry into how football is being run with the idea being to put a stop to countries buying our clubs?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5479 on: August 25, 2025, 03:38:11 PM »
I remember the days when nobody was ever going to finish in the top four ever again apart from Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

How could we forget. We spent years debating it and those of us who thought they wouldn’t were right.

I find the similar views we are hearing today just as defeatist. Squads are limited to 25 players. Premier League clubs can buy the best players in the world. They can pay for the best scouting and academies. UEFA’s football earnings rule will impact other clubs in Europe even more than it will us. We’ll be about 12th in the Deloitte money league when it’s published in January. Granted, six of the teams above us in that list will be in our league, but two of them finished way behind us last season, three of them the season before. Meanwhile, we can blow the vast majority of French, Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, Italian and German clubs out of the water on wages, not to mention all of South America.

With all that accepted, scouting/recruitment and coaching are the game changers, while we also have lots to improve on regarding commercial revenue.

With us being the second best club after Chelsea in terms of revenue from selling academy graduates, it would be churlish to suggest we could improve by much in that department.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5480 on: August 25, 2025, 03:52:53 PM »
And we're favourites to win the Europa League, which puts us back in Big League next year!*

*I assume, can't find a bookie who will verify.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5481 on: August 25, 2025, 04:49:46 PM »
Last four seasons revenue:

21/22: €210.9m
22/23: €250.5m
23/24: €310.2m
24/25: €416m (based on Heck’s lowest estimate).
« Last Edit: August 25, 2025, 05:06:49 PM by Percy McCarthy »

Offline aj2k77

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5482 on: August 25, 2025, 04:52:41 PM »
I know we keep saying it and expecting it but will we be in a much better situation next summer after eating a shit sandwich this one?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5483 on: August 25, 2025, 04:59:44 PM »
I know we keep saying it and expecting it but will we be in a much better situation next summer after eating a shit sandwich this one?

Not a clue mate from me mate, sorry. Seems like we’ve got PL PSR licked, only to smash into UEFA SCR and Football Earnings rules
« Last Edit: August 25, 2025, 05:03:29 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5484 on: August 25, 2025, 05:01:47 PM »
Well one of the heavy loss years drops out of the calculations.  Just depends on what this year looks like.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5485 on: August 25, 2025, 05:03:07 PM »
Well one of the heavy loss years drops out of the calculations.  Just depends on what this year looks like.

£120m loss just dropped out, £80m loss drops out next season.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5486 on: August 25, 2025, 05:05:37 PM »
We can't afford to have non-contributing high wage-earners for the foreseeable. Given we've offloaded two of them, Donk and Coots and first team/fringe fellas like Ramsey and Bailey have also left with Buendia likely to follow suit, we've surely got our wages to revenue ratio down quite a good bit from 91% to where it needs to be, 70%. With a couple of loans to come, we can't go mental. At least if we get Asensio, we won't have had to pay him over the summer.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5487 on: August 25, 2025, 05:22:04 PM »
^^ A boost getting rid of them (Donk & Coots), no doubt, but one wonders what we paid them to go. Almost the same as what it would have cost to keep them I’d guess. But ‘almost’ is better obviously.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2025, 05:24:40 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5488 on: August 25, 2025, 06:17:18 PM »
In the restrictions from UEFA there is mention of sporting restrictions being conditional, which suggests that we can have those taken away by meeting targets early, I've said it before but I suspect that's exactly what we're aiming to do which is why we're playing so nicely with the rules this summer.

Even with that I'd be surprised if we don't see 2-3 in over the next week. At a guess I think Asensio will be back, we'll look to loan in a defender and I think we might see a surprisingly big signing of a winger, another in the £30-40m range.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5489 on: August 25, 2025, 06:33:26 PM »
I think we might see a surprisingly big signing of a winger, another in the £30-40m range.

Guess it would be useful for Malen and Guessand to have a third for their half-time warm up rondos.

 


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