FFP

[Drummond]

Some people are annoyed that our rise to world domination is being thwarted by the rules, others seem content with our current lot.  That’s ok but I wish we’d stop keeping on (and on) within the comparisons with how bad it’s been before.

I'm all of those things, and comparing with the past enables us to contextualise where we are now.

[john2710]

I thought there was a proposal that clubs would only be allowed to spend a multiple of whatever the club with the lowest earnings was. I'm not sure if that makes things better or worse. Although I think we voted against it.

As it stands a club like ours needs somewhere between 5-10 years of making good management appointments, with no mistakes on major player recruitment, to sell players you'd prefer to keep for profit, to perform above your abilities on the pitch & make massive improvements in all revenue streams. And if we try to improve our chances of competing by selling the women's team, we're considered to be cheats.

Whilst a club like Man Utd, can stink the place out, appoint shit managers, overpay fees & salaries for players who underperform & are then sold at massive losses. All whilst serving massive debts. But they can still spend multiples of what we can & to cap it off, then ask for public funding to build a new stadium.

[aev]

I am not sure as things stand it is likely that we can compete financially with the ringfenced 6, so I do wonder how long the owners will try to do so.

There are plenty of owners in the league that are happy to just be in the league and avoid relegation. Throw a bit of red meat to the fans every now and then, but essentially take the cash on offer.

I don't think there is any evidence of this having happened so far, but we seem to have reached our glass ceiling.

[paul_e]

I'm ok with having some rules in place but the current premier league offering is terrible and I'm not convinced that UEFA SCR isn't worse.

My biggest issue with them is that distort the sensible running of clubs. FFP/PSR encourages the sale of academy graduates because they count as pure profit, this has turned them into farms.

SCR on the other hand makes what a club like Brighton are doing far less effective because player trading profit becomes largely irrelevant and everything falls back onto commercial revenue.

In both cases debt gets ignored to a large extent.

[Percy McCarthy]

I hope the owners are thinking of solutions instead of wasting time moaning.

[ozzjim]

Forest will hit the same wall if they make it 3 seasons into European competition. That is what has killed us this summer, and the agreement we have had to sign. Forest are working under the PSR rules still, where selling Elanga has given them £90m to spend on spread payments. They make the top 4/5 their wage bill will shoot to huge numbers too, and they will be hit just as hard as we are being.

[Rigadon]

I think the point is that there isn't a solution other than acceptance of 'this is how it is'.  The recent statements from Emery and the management team suggest recognition of this.  It's not all doom and gloom, but that still doesn't make it 'fair'.

[aev]

I hope the owners are thinking of solutions instead of wasting time moaning.

Oh come on, who doesn't love a good moan?

[Sexual Ealing]

Can any of our sons and daughters of the law tell us whether a legal challenge against the rules would be likely to succeed?

[aev]

Can any of our sons and daughters of the law tell us whether a legal challenge against the rules would be likely to succeed?

A bit of no win, no fee action ?

[Sexual Ealing]

Ha! I just think that if we could successfully challenge, we should. If we couldn't, we should shut up and get on with it.

[aev]

Ha! I just think that if we could successfully challenge, we should. If we couldn't, we should shut up and get on with it.

I guess the fact we haven't means we are stuck?

The whole of the media seems to be set up to continue the "big" 6 narrative.
 

[Dave]

It's not all doom and gloom, but that still doesn't make it 'fair'.

But what we seem to be asking for wouldn't make it "fair" either. Just unfair in a way that helps us rather hindering us

Ask a Brentford or Palace fan whether giving a couple more teams the leeway to spend another half a billion each on their squads would make the league more fair or not.

[aev]

It's not all doom and gloom, but that still doesn't make it 'fair'.

But what we seem to be asking for wouldn't be "fair" either. Just unfair in a way that helps us rather hindering us

Ask a Brentford or Palace fan whether giving a couple more teams the leeway to spend another half a billion each on their squads would make the league more fair or not.

I'd be happy with it being a level playing field - teams should be able to spend the same amount on transfers and wages, not having it linked to revenue streams in the Far East.

[Sexual Ealing]

Ha! I just think that if we could successfully challenge, we should. If we couldn't, we should shut up and get on with it.

I guess the fact we haven't means we are stuck?

The whole of the media seems to be set up to continue the "big" 6 narrative.
 

Indeed. It seems that ~85% of the clubs are happy enough with the (PL) rules. I'd imagine we're not the only ones in UEFA competition struggling with the 70% thing though.