FFP

[garyellis]

We've sold our ground to ourselves, we've sold our women's team, we've done mutually benficial transfers, we buy and sell players like they are merchandise where our only interest is resale, we charge obscene ticket prices, we've spent money most clubs can only dream of spending. We're not some plucky little club fighting against all odds, we're as big a part of the problem as other clubs. We are many of the things wrong with modern football.

And your solution is?

Getting on with it with a minimum of moaning, perhaps?

Yes fuck em all. Let’s get behind the team tomorrow and keep fortress Villa Park. UTV

[cdbearsfan]

We've sold our ground to ourselves, we've sold our women's team, we've done mutually benficial transfers, we buy and sell players like they are merchandise where our only interest is resale, we charge obscene ticket prices, we've spent money most clubs can only dream of spending. We're not some plucky little club fighting against all odds, we're as big a part of the problem as other clubs. We are many of the things wrong with modern football.

And your solution is?

Getting on with it with a minimum of moaning, perhaps?

But it isn't comparing like with like. We behave like that because the rules, set up to prevent teams like us competing, force us to.

It's the football equivalent of those "you can't moan about capitalism if you own a mobile phone" messages so beloved of imbeciles on Twitter.

It's absolutely right to moan about things that are shit.

[Sexual Ealing]

We've sold our ground to ourselves, we've sold our women's team, we've done mutually benficial transfers, we buy and sell players like they are merchandise where our only interest is resale, we charge obscene ticket prices, we've spent money most clubs can only dream of spending. We're not some plucky little club fighting against all odds, we're as big a part of the problem as other clubs. We are many of the things wrong with modern football.

And your solution is?

Getting on with it with a minimum of moaning, perhaps?

But it isn't comparing like with like. We behave like that because the rules, set up to prevent teams like us competing, force us to.

It's the football equivalent of those "you can't moan about capitalism if you own a mobile phone" messages so beloved of imbeciles on Twitter.

It's not. It's the football equivalent of someone being caught cheating and trying to gain sympathy by tearfully reminding everyone that they have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives.

We knew the rules, we spent the money, we fucked the easiest opportunity we'll ever have to get a one-off shot at getting into the CL. These are the consequences.


Edit: I don't like the rules, but we knew what they were when we started so it's on us. We ought to stop fucking moaning.

[pauliewalnuts]

yes, that is true.

I don't like the rules, but I am not sure what the better alternative is that allows us to flourish but does not allow Newcastle to buy lots of trophies.

[cdbearsfan]

We've sold our ground to ourselves, we've sold our women's team, we've done mutually benficial transfers, we buy and sell players like they are merchandise where our only interest is resale, we charge obscene ticket prices, we've spent money most clubs can only dream of spending. We're not some plucky little club fighting against all odds, we're as big a part of the problem as other clubs. We are many of the things wrong with modern football.

And your solution is?

Getting on with it with a minimum of moaning, perhaps?

But it isn't comparing like with like. We behave like that because the rules, set up to prevent teams like us competing, force us to.

It's the football equivalent of those "you can't moan about capitalism if you own a mobile phone" messages so beloved of imbeciles on Twitter.

It's not. It's the football equivalent of someone being caught cheating and trying to gain sympathy by tearfully reminding everyone that they have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives.

We knew the rules, we spent the money, we fucked the easiest opportunity we'll ever have to get a one-off shot at getting into the CL. These are the consequences.


Edit: I don't like the rules, but we knew what they were when we started so it's on us. We ought to stop fucking moaning.

That's just weird. You can use exactly the same argument to shut down any criticism of "let's just give all the nice stuff to rich people" politics.

I'm not really sure what your last paragraph means. These rules weren't implemented until well over a century after we started.

We basically have two choices, do what we can to make the best of the utterly stupid rules, or refuse to compete, fold and make everybody redundant.

I don't think choosing the former option means you never have the right to moan about rules which are set up to ensure the wealthiest stay at the top and fuck everybody else over ever again.

[cdbearsfan]

yes, that is true.

I don't like the rules, but I am not sure what the better alternative is that allows us to flourish but does not allow Newcastle to buy lots of trophies.

Revenue-sharing, same as NFL.

[pauliewalnuts]

yes, that is true.

I don't like the rules, but I am not sure what the better alternative is that allows us to flourish but does not allow Newcastle to buy lots of trophies.

Revenue-sharing, same as NFL.

You mean equal revenue sharing?

The same as the PL with regards to foreign broadcasting money.

It'll never happen domestically though.

[Ads]

On the basis that there's only Newcastle and Man City wealthier than us, I'm in favour of letting us rip, just as Man Unites were allowed to unfettered for 20 years. As were Chelsea and as were Man City until parvenu sides crashing the status quo became unacceptable.

Given how well both ourselves and Newcastle have done, under restrictions that simply do not apply in a deliberate or meaningful way to our "peers", letting either side leverage the wealth they have would be highly problematic.

I hope Man City roundly smash their legal battle and we can take the gloves off and let slip the financial dreadnought.

[cdbearsfan]

yes, that is true.

I don't like the rules, but I am not sure what the better alternative is that allows us to flourish but does not allow Newcastle to buy lots of trophies.

Revenue-sharing, same as NFL.

You mean equal revenue sharing?

The same as the PL with regards to foreign broadcasting money.

It'll never happen domestically though.

I mean sharing everything. Gate money, sponsorship, TV money. Same as in the NFL.

There is no reason why Man U should finish about fifty points behind Bournemouth but still get ten times as much money just because they attract loads of glory-hunting twats.

[pauliewalnuts]

I know, was just saying that we do it for foreign tv rights (although the usual suspects want to change that), but it'd never happen (equal revenue sharing) domestically.

[Sexual Ealing]

That's just weird. You can use exactly the same argument to shut down any criticism of "let's just give all the nice stuff to rich people" politics.

I'm not really sure what your last paragraph means. These rules weren't implemented until well over a century after we started.

We basically have two choices, do what we can to make the best of the utterly stupid rules, or refuse to compete, fold and make everybody redundant.

I don't think choosing the former option means you never have the right to moan about rules which are set up to ensure the wealthiest stay at the top and fuck everybody else over ever again.

CD, seriously pal, you're being silly. You're equating one of the top twenty richest organisations in its multi-billion dollar field and comparing it to the genuinely dispossessed?! Come the fuck on!

In this context 'we' does not refer to some fucking meeting under a shit fictional lamppost, it refers to our billionaire owners (inheritance; vulture capitalism).

Be serious.

[cdbearsfan]

Regardless, our owners aren't as equally to blame for a system they oppose as the people who set up the corrupt system. There is nothing wrong with moaning about the injustices of FFP regulations in football in the FFP thread on a football forum.

[Sexual Ealing]

Crack on then!

[cdbearsfan]

I think I'd finished. Started moaning about something else in the "Other Games" chat to mix things up a bit. 🙂

[PeterWithesShin]

My solution was a personal one, I stopped going to games.

The PL, Uefa, FIFA, Villa etc aren't going to change things much as they are all more popular, and generating far more money, than they ever have so there's no incentive to. Villa don't want a rule change that allows Bournemouth to spend as much as us, they want a change that allows us to spend even more than they can.