FFP

[Olneythelonely]

Does it all apply to our Premier League squad? Or just to our European one? Because if it’s the former too, aren’t we just fucked?

I don't think they've jurisdiction over the Premier League squad?

That was my thought, but then I saw a bit an online meltdown and assumed the worst.

[Rigadon]

We can't have historically less successful clubs outspending Juventus et al.  The status quo must be maintain / restored. 

[PaulWinch again]

I think this is why people think we can't spend the Ramsey money. We've already spent it on Guessand.

We'll have saved salaries on Ramsey, Rashford, Disasi, Olsen and Asensio but will have increased by adding Malen, Garcia, Bizot and Guessand. The ins are lower but also attract fees. The outs have no fees barring Ramsey.

If Bailey goes we're better, but then Asensio is rumoured too.

Yes although Asensio will already be on the list, so not sure how that works.

[Dave]

Does it all apply to our Premier League squad? Or just to our European one? Because if it’s the former too, aren’t we just fucked?

I don't think they've jurisdiction over the Premier League squad?

That was my thought, but then I saw a bit an online meltdown and assumed the worst.

They don't have jurisdiction, but in reality they do.

Let's say we want to spend £30m on a centre-back that isn't Disasi, we need to convince him that he wants to join a club that can't use him in European games.

That extra outlay also means that those conditionality bits for 26/27 and 27/28 come into play, so they can't play in those competitions in those seasons and next years transfers can't either.

If we're trying to buy the few players that exist that turn one of the twenty or so best teams in the world into one of the ten or so best teams in the world, those players might just go to a team that isn't messing them around like that.

[Dante Lavelli]

Do the conditional and unconditional restrictions only apply if we qualify for Europe?

[Dave]

Do the conditional and unconditional restrictions only apply if we qualify for Europe?

Well we wouldn't be presenting any lists of players to UEFA, so there's no reason they'd be interested.

But let's say we tank this season and use it as an excuse to go on a spree next summer, we then have the same issue in 27/28.

[Olneythelonely]

Does it all apply to our Premier League squad? Or just to our European one? Because if it’s the former too, aren’t we just fucked?

I don't think they've jurisdiction over the Premier League squad?

That was my thought, but then I saw a bit an online meltdown and assumed the worst.

They don't have jurisdiction, but in reality they do.

Let's say we want to spend £30m on a centre-back that isn't Disasi, we need to convince him that he wants to join a club that can't use him in European games.

That extra outlay also means that those conditionality bits for 26/27 and 27/28 come into play, so they can't play in those competitions in those seasons and next years transfers can't either.

If we're trying to buy the few players that exist that turn one of the twenty or so best teams in the world into one of the ten or so best teams in the world, those players might just go to a team that isn't messing them around like that.

Thanks Dave. Now I’m back in the “we’re fucked” camp. Thanks a lot!

[andyh]

It’s ALMOST like it’s worth NOT being in European competition if you want to/ need to improve your squad with quality but need to spend money in order to do so.

[PaulWinch again]

Does it all apply to our Premier League squad? Or just to our European one? Because if it’s the former too, aren’t we just fucked?

I don't think they've jurisdiction over the Premier League squad?

That was my thought, but then I saw a bit an online meltdown and assumed the worst.

They don't have jurisdiction, but in reality they do.

Let's say we want to spend £30m on a centre-back that isn't Disasi, we need to convince him that he wants to join a club that can't use him in European games.

That extra outlay also means that those conditionality bits for 26/27 and 27/28 come into play, so they can't play in those competitions in those seasons and next years transfers can't either.

If we're trying to buy the few players that exist that turn one of the twenty or so best teams in the world into one of the ten or so best teams in the world, those players might just go to a team that isn't messing them around like that.

Yup, no player worth their salt is going to sign for a club who can’t play them in Europe if they get there. It’s very difficult, because the reality we need to both be smart with sales (see Ramsey) and also drive our revenue up. Managing that, and progressing is an incredibly hard cycle to manage.

[aev]

Does it all apply to our Premier League squad? Or just to our European one? Because if it’s the former too, aren’t we just fucked?

I don't think they've jurisdiction over the Premier League squad?

That was my thought, but then I saw a bit an online meltdown and assumed the worst.

They don't have jurisdiction, but in reality they do.

Let's say we want to spend £30m on a centre-back that isn't Disasi, we need to convince him that he wants to join a club that can't use him in European games.

That extra outlay also means that those conditionality bits for 26/27 and 27/28 come into play, so they can't play in those competitions in those seasons and next years transfers can't either.

If we're trying to buy the few players that exist that turn one of the twenty or so best teams in the world into one of the ten or so best teams in the world, those players might just go to a team that isn't messing them around like that.

Yup, no player worth their salt is going to sign for a club who can’t play them in Europe if they get there. It’s very difficult, because the reality we need to both be smart with sales (see Ramsey) and also drive our revenue up. Managing that, and progressing is an incredibly hard cycle to manage.

Absolutely.

The whole thing is anti competitive, and if I didn't care so much I'd find something else to mess up my weekends.

[andyh]

^^
Especially when it’s not a fair and level playing field.

I keep banging on about it, and I know it’s monotonous, but the fact we are so hamstrung by pathetic financial governances, imposed by 2 different football authorities, while other clubs spend money with impunity purely because of who they are, is really pissing me off.

[Rico]

The big worry to me is that our owners just get fed up with not being able to compete on a level playing field and just say fuck it we're out of here.

[andyh]

The big worry to me is that our owners just get fed up with not being able to compete on a level playing field and just say fuck it we're out of here.

Yep !
Include Unai in that.

[Clampy]

I was actually just thinking that. I know he comes across as someone who thrives on a challenge but even he may get fed up of having to sell a decent player season.

[Drummond]

They won't. They'll battle on for a good while yet. We're a great side, in the best League of the most popular sport in the world. We've finished 4the, 6th and 7th in the last three years, reached a Cup Semi Final, a Conference League Semi Final and a Champions League Quarter Final. Most clubs can only dream of that.

We just need to keep banging on the door, and we will win something again one day.