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Online paul_e

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5025 on: July 30, 2025, 10:51:00 AM »
It can happen in the US because there's little to no competition for their main sports. If the PL did anything like salary caps etc then players would just fuck off to a different league for more money.

I don't think this would happen, mostly because the biggest driver of wage inflation in football is the premier league. If you look at where a cap would come in and the likelihood is something around £150-200m. There are about 10-15 clubs in Europe that would be impacted by that and half of them are in England. There may be a small trickle of players to SA or thge US but that's no different to now really.

In terms of spending outside wage caps I agree with others that the solution should be mostly focused on squad size limits and registrations.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5026 on: July 30, 2025, 06:29:58 PM »
It can happen in the US because there's little to no competition for their main sports. If the PL did anything like salary caps etc then players would just fuck off to a different league for more money.

Does FIFA as a body have the authority to impose a universal cap?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5027 on: July 30, 2025, 06:38:22 PM »
It does not.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5028 on: July 30, 2025, 06:54:13 PM »
Does FIFA as a body have the authority to impose a universal cap?

No, you'll have to wait for the New World Order and globalist government before we get that.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5029 on: July 30, 2025, 07:19:54 PM »
What about a budget cap not a salary cap across the top leagues in Europe? Eg you can't spend more than £250 million in wages for your 25 man squad, that's average of £10 million per player or 200k per week.

That wouldn't limit the individual salaries but put some limit on what clubs can work with. I think this kind of limit would give teams like Villa an opportunity

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5030 on: July 30, 2025, 07:27:23 PM »
…..I think this kind of limit would give teams like Villa an opportunity

Which is precisely why no big club will allow it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5031 on: July 30, 2025, 07:30:06 PM »
…..I think this kind of limit would give teams like Villa an opportunity

Which is precisely why no big club will allow it.
There's got to be a court case worth having based on restraint of trade surely? The rules are rigged.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5032 on: July 30, 2025, 07:55:10 PM »
What about a budget cap not a salary cap across the top leagues in Europe? Eg you can't spend more than £250 million in wages for your 25 man squad, that's average of £10 million per player or 200k per week.

That wouldn't limit the individual salaries but put some limit on what clubs can work with. I think this kind of limit would give teams like Villa an opportunity


Stop teams stock piling would help balance things out abit  also

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5033 on: July 30, 2025, 08:14:20 PM »
…..I think this kind of limit would give teams like Villa an opportunity

Which is precisely why no big club will allow it.
There's got to be a court case worth having based on restraint of trade surely? The rules are rigged.

Yes, against what you suggested, which is exactly what would be called restraint of trade.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5034 on: July 30, 2025, 08:46:38 PM »
How would a spending cap on the club be considered a restraint of trade any more than the current regulations from UEFA of limiting to 70% of turnover?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5035 on: July 30, 2025, 10:01:29 PM »
It does not.

And even if did, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take long before the reality of "Gianni Infantino and FIFA are now in charge of the day-to-day running of domestic leagues instead of national associations running them" became not as good a thing as people first thought it might be.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2025, 10:19:17 PM by Dave »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5036 on: July 30, 2025, 10:15:06 PM »
How would a spending cap on the club be considered a restraint of trade any more than the current regulations from UEFA of limiting to 70% of turnover?
Sorry I meant the current system is a restraint of trade. I think Sawiris has said something like that but decided not to pursue it further.

The current system effectively limits who can win whereas a cap on club spending would give everyone an option to spend up to the same amount to try to win. Seems fairer to me which is obviously why it isn't going to happen.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5037 on: July 30, 2025, 10:40:36 PM »
Not sure how you fix it, there's a multitude of problems but big ones
- nation states/oligarchs buying titles (noble intention to restrict it but Man City and others already have bought their way to a significant advantage here. Royal Madrid with their debt writedowns, Barca can't register any players each summer until they miraculously can at the last minute). The game is cooked in favour of the bigger clubs. To create an equal playing field, clubs new to CL football such as ourselves and Newcastle should be given some kind of allowance. We gave PSG their biggest test by far in the CL last season and have to sell to buy this summer instead

- academy farms incentives - no point whinging about Chelsea or City as we are guilty of this here too. Ideally you would severely limit the number of academy players allowed to be registered at each club. The current system might make "homegrown" players wealthier but it damages their development. What did Louis Barry gain bar money from his time with us? Enzo B??
- accounting value of players - I suspect this is the one the authorities will look to change after some frankly ludicrous business we got up to with Chelsea and Everton last summer. It has been going on for years fair enough but the deals for likes of Dobbin and Kellyman obviously stunk. It reduces the incentive for clubs to move on unwanted players and it creates an increased incentive for players to run down contracts. This is contrary to player and club development. Maybe some kind of independent panel could be setup to arbitrate on the value of a player for book value purposes.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5038 on: Today at 08:56:39 AM »
As others have said, there is a very simple solution to this. The Premier League imposes a salary cap (e.g £300m). This will do nothing to dilute the competitiveness of the game versus our European friends as it is way above what most of them can afford.

It wouldn’t disadvantage any poorer clubs in the league either, as they are already paying way below the big clubs. So they should vote for it to stop the gap growing.

The only people who would object are the current Sky6 who would see the gap between them and us shrink.

If it can’t get 14 votes then clubs are idiots.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #5039 on: Today at 08:59:22 AM »
And the cheats would still find a way round it!

 


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