FFP

[Crown Hill]

Suspect all these pundits including the so called experts like Borson are guessing and nobody will really know until 30 June has passed and then there will be loads of 20/20 hindsight merchants!

[Stu]

Big banner headlines of Liverpool spending £100m on a player with add ons potentially up to £116m are hard to take when we’re apparently having to sell the family silver to meet an arbitrary metric for ‘sustainability’. I know it’s because of their turnover and whatnot but that turnover is based on previous success during the 70’s and 80’s when they spent colossal amounts of money with no points/fine penalties. It’s a fucking fix, boys.

[kippaxvilla2]

For about the millionth time Liverpools net losses and revenue are no comparison to ours.

[kippaxvilla2]

Liverpool made an annual pre-tax loss of £57m up to 31 May 2024 - £48m more than they lost in the previous 12 months. However, the Premier League's club overall revenue rose by £20m to £614m in 2023-24, and its commercial income increased by £36m to £308m.

[Stu]

I’m not a bean counter, I hate that as fans we are expected to know about this crap and comb through accounts every single summer when the optics are exactly as I’ve presented here. It is bullshit, FFP/PSR and whatever else are a blight on the game, a pain in the arse for fans and a limit on competition.

[kippaxvilla2]

Sorry Stu.  Didn’t mean to come across as an arse.  I think of all the so called sky six only Chelsea’s antics can be genuinely called into question.

[OCD]

Sorry Stu.  Didn’t mean to come across as an arse.  I think of all the so called sky six only Chelsea’s antics can be genuinely called into question.

And Man City's.

[Drummond]

And Man City 115 can't?

[kippaxvilla2]

Not on strict psr these days no.  On their historic boosting of sponsorship deals yes. 

[Stu]

Sorry Stu.  Didn’t mean to come across as an arse.  I think of all the so called sky six only Chelsea’s antics can be genuinely called into question.

No worries mate, I was being a big miseryarse - apologies!

[paul_e]

and Man Utd have £1bn in debt and such severe cashflow problems that they're barely able to run, have a ground that's falling apart around them and have the begging bowl out for government handouts to fix things.

Spurs (stadium debt notwithstanding) and Arsenal are miles ahead of the rest in terms of how well run they are as businesses.

[ChicagoLion]

Not on strict psr these days no.  On their historic boosting of sponsorship deals yes.

i think if you look at the charges you will find multiple financial breaches including sheltering renumeration through UAE.

[Stu]

Sorry Stu.  Didn’t mean to come across as an arse.  I think of all the so called sky six only Chelsea’s antics can be genuinely called into question.

Ohhhh, I see where you’re coming from. I don’t think Liverpool have or are doing anything dodgy financially (as per PSR). What I mean is that the game is rigged against clubs who weren’t as successful in the past, so Liverpool in this example are essentially being rewarded for being really good at passing the ball back to the keeper for 20 years while not having their spending restricted.

Tbh, I don’t really blame clubs trying to find loopholes and workarounds either, these are the consequences of ill-conceived legislation. See also the affront to the sport itself whereby clubs who are locked out of spending to compete are incentivised to sell their homegrown players.

[Toronto Villa]

Liverpool also didn’t spend anything last summer. In fact I think they had a negative net spend. So when you consider they won the league easily, have a huge global commercial presence and accompanying revenues, and spent nothing the last two windows it’s not really a surprise they can do what they are doing now. In fact, them and Arsenal seem to spend within their means most of the time.

[Percy McCarthy]

Well, we can give up or we can try. We can sustain a quarter of a billion pound-a-year wage bill that we can spend on 25 first team players, same as everyone else. We can spend unlimited money on our academy to develop first team players and/or revenue. We can recruit as well as Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth and be under less pressure than any of those clubs to sell. We can expand our stadium and we can improve our commercial department as many have been saying for years that we should. We’re richer than all but a handful of clubs in Europe and can afford to cherry pick the best players from the rest. There are loopholes we are still to exploit.

We’ve qualified for Europe three years running and got to the last eight of the Champions League, and finished seventh, fourth and sixth in the richest league in the world despite the unfairness and corruption. We are the biggest club in the second biggest city (for now lol) in the richest football economy on the planet, with no clubs of comparable wealth within an eighty mile radius. It can’t be that impossible.