FFP

[Drummond]

Shame Lerner sold all that land around Villa Park when he did.

[john2710]

I think it's unlikely that we'll be in breach of PSR or have to sell anyone by 30th June. Luiz may have a release clause & it may have a date limitation. I suppose we'll find out over the next 2 weeks. The owners will, as you'd expect, have pushed PSR right to the very limit.

The problem we have is that we will struggle to stand still with the restrictions of the current PSR, forcing us to sell at least one player in order to try & stay in the race. In future seasons those clubs in Europe will have to adopt even stricter limitations. I understand that they want the PL to be competitive but City have won the PL 4 times in a row on the basis that they cheated in the years before.

Our request to increase losses will have been designed to stop the need to sell one of our better players more than anything else but the media will see it as an act of desperation.

[kippaxvilla2]

That Mail article yesterday basically said we are right on the limit so whilst we do need to do stuff it is not dramatic.  I suspect offloading some fringe players before end of June is more likely.  Coutinho being a case in point.  Also, the  Euros are going on - I doubt players are going to be moving until late this summer anyway.

[Percy McCarthy]

That Mail article yesterday basically said we are right on the limit so whilst we do need to do stuff it is not dramatic.  I suspect offloading some fringe players before end of June is more likely.  Coutinho being a case in point.  Also, the  Euros are going on - I doubt players are going to be moving until late this summer anyway.

Being as the loss on his unamortised fee chrystalises, getting rid of him before June 30th would add to our losses.

[Ads]

That Mail article yesterday basically said we are right on the limit so whilst we do need to do stuff it is not dramatic.  I suspect offloading some fringe players before end of June is more likely.  Coutinho being a case in point.  Also, the  Euros are going on - I doubt players are going to be moving until late this summer anyway.

Being as the loss on his unamortised fee chrystalises, getting rid of him before June 30th would add to our losses.

It would make more sense to loan him for say £3m for his final year and bank it all as profit and let him leave on a free, rather than sell for anything below £5.6m.

[pablo_picasso]

I don't expect many to agree with me & I respect that is everybody's individual prerogative, but if we take legal action against the Premier League, then that is the cue for me to walk away from football for good.

And while I agree with a lot of what Sawiris is saying regarding the unfairness of the current system, I would have the very same feelings that I had against ManC with their ridiculous "tyranny of the majority" bullshit quote when they explained their legal action, if we went the same route.

I personally have nothing but utter contempt towards them for their actions. So to change my view just because it is Villa, no matter how much I want to, well, thats not going to happen.

We signed up to the league & all its rules & regs. We helped set them all up so the league would be a democracy.

We tried to change the FFP/PSR rules recently but got shot down by the democratic process that we helped set up. If we go back & try to change the system using the democratic process available, then fine. We highlight all of our complaints, concerns & issues with the system at that point & if successful, then great.

If not, then we keep trying with different options until we get somewhere, in the way that other clubs did with the subs rule.

But to try to blow up the system because we cant get our own way, no matter how just our concerns may be, simply makes us ManC light & I want fuck all to do with that.

It will hurt, because I have loved Villa for over 40 years through all the shit we have had to endure.

But I fucking despise todays modern game with a passion & if Villa take legal action, then we will merely become part of everything that I despise.

So I will be out...

[Ads]

Strange hill to die on, regulations which are unfair, which you agree are unfair and designed with the intention to keep the likes of us from doing what we did last season.

[Somniloquism]

So you believe we should take legal action against the league because 14 other clubs didn't vote in favour of a rule change?

[Ads]

It would depend on what it is we are seeking. I am all in favour of a rule change that doesn't force us into having to sell our better players, especially to clubs who finished above us, as punishment for finishing 4th. I don't want our stay around this neck of the woods to be as fleeting as Leicester found.

[PeterWithesShin]

I wonder if any that support the club over this may have a different view if we were plodding along lower in the table and that Nas article was from someone at Newcastle.

[Ads]

I'd be against anything that would benefit our rivals over us, so probably. I'm not here for some altruistic, Corinthian hand clap good chaps of football exprience. I'm here for what benefits us, as I would expect the overwhelming majority of football fans are.

I dont want to do it by cheating. Which I think makes a big difference with Man City and why the comparison of "Man City lite" is silly.

[sid1964]

I agree with Ads - i just want my club to be able to compete with the supposed big 6 clubs at the top end of the table every season.

If we can't compete then what is the point of our owners pumping 100's of millions into the club?

[Somniloquism]

I'd be against anything that would benefit our rivals over us, so probably. I'm not here for some altruistic, Corinthian hand clap good chaps of football exprience. I'm here for what benefits us, as I would expect the overwhelming majority of football fans are.

I dont want to do it by cheating. Which I think makes a big difference with Man City and why the comparison of "Man City lite" is silly.

However Man City have recently decided to launch legal action against the league due to not having the votes go their way*. We are discussing looking at legal means we can take because votes did not go our way. That is on top of several stories about Sawiris sympathising with City and their owners plight. So I don't think it is "silly" at this moment. I actually think they would now jump at a joining a breakaway superleague if offered at the moment.

*Yes, the common thought is City are doing this to delay the cheating actions further or even to try to stop that action, but it still doesn't distract that the noises we are hearing from an owner is disconcerting.

[Dogtanian]

I thought in the article he said they were considering putting in a complaint? I didn't think it mentioned us taking legal action.

[Dogtanian]

Just checked:

"...seeking legal advice on whether to lodge a formal complaint against them."

So this is ambiguous.