FFP

[pauliewalnuts]

I had a quick look at the prize money for next season's Champions League. €20m+ just for being in the competition. €2.1m per match won. And there are other payouts that appeared significant although I can't remember what they are now.

Meanwhile, winning the Conference League nets around €20m.

In short, if we qualify, I think we'll be adding to the squad rather than selling our stars.

That's not right, though, because the year we need to be worried about is right now, the one that finishes at the end of this season, not next season.

[Dogtanian]

Problem will be if we need to shift players and everyone else is in the same spot. How many teams are realistically going to attempt to sign Dougie, Ramsay, Kamara etc. for £50m+?

Yes, but it depends how much we need, and selling players isn't just about the fee, it's also about the wages and depreciation.

Currently, Diego Carlos, Lucas Digne, Dendoncker, Coutinho, and Sanson are costing us about £20m a season in depreciation, then their wages are on top. Being creative with these sorts of players can help get us over the line without selling a single £100m player.

There was talk in January that selling Duran would help us with FFP. But that if we didn't, we had other options. So for all we know, we might only need to be covering £20-30m.

It might leave us tight for spending next season, but if Emery is happy with his squad (and it should be stronger with players coming back) then that might be okay. Not splashing the cash next season, and pulling down Champions League and Adidas money with a squad that's shown it can compete for top four, would put us in a great position in 18 months time.

[aev]

How many teams are realistically going to attempt to sign Dougie, Ramsay, Kamara etc. for £50m+?

Plenty would pay well above 50m for Luiz and probably Kamara too.

The positive is that we have - and nobody wants to take this option, but it's way better to at least have it than not - plenty of players we could sell for a lot of money and pocket almost all of it. Luiz, for example, has been here, what, four years? He'll be off the books in terms of amortisation. Sell him to someone for 80m and we're pocketing all of it.

Imagine how much we could get for Watkins - again, if we had to. It's fucking grim thinking we might have to do things like this and shows how insane FFP's implementation is, but we are in a better position than most. What would be horrific would be being in that situation and not having sellable assets as a last chance escape route.

Imagine having to rely on selling Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

[Drummond]

Fuck it. Go all out for chumps league next season, accept a points deduction and just start behind everyone else.

[Somniloquism]

I think that there will be alot of clubs in this situation.  I think spurs will make some major losses as will arsenal.

Spurs have got their version of the Grealish money from the Kane sale though.

And Spam/ Brighton for similar reasons. Chelsea will be interesting though although they always seem to be ahead on how to structure stuff to get around FFP.

Chelsea have brought in an insane amount of money from selling home grown players in recent years, though. I think they are alright for now, but pretty soon if they fail more than once to reach the champions league, or fail to find a home grown gem to sell, they're going to have problems.

They had the one summer the same as the Grealish summer where they sold 118 mil euros of homegrown players and spent it pretty much all on bringing Lukaku back. They then spent 611 mil euros the following summer with very little expenditure and 511 mil last year albeit with Mount (homegrown) and others being sold for 250m euros. So I don't see how over 1 billion being spent in two seasons with 350mil back is profitable, even with it being London prices. Of course most of those they had on the 10 year contracts to spread the cost before that got banned.

[lovejoy]

The old "break the bank" approach, ask Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Derby how that worked out.

[Dave]

Chelsea have brought in an insane amount of money from selling home grown players in recent years, though. I think they are alright for now, but pretty soon if they fail more than once to reach the champions league, or fail to find a home grown gem to sell, they're going to have problems.

The issue that they have with those eight year contracts is that to maintain their financial health they need to find an Abraham / Tomori / Mount / Guehi or two every season for the next decade.

And when you find yoursel as mediocre as Chelsea currently are, anything that they find like that is going to be going straight into the first team. Hopefully their commercial clout starts to dry up soon too, leaving them properly buggered.

[Chris Harte]

I had a quick look at the prize money for next season's Champions League. €20m+ just for being in the competition. €2.1m per match won. And there are other payouts that appeared significant although I can't remember what they are now.

Meanwhile, winning the Conference League nets around €20m.

In short, if we qualify, I think we'll be adding to the squad rather than selling our stars.

That's not right, though, because the year we need to be worried about is right now, the one that finishes at the end of this season, not next season.

Fair point.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think that there will be alot of clubs in this situation.  I think spurs will make some major losses as will arsenal.

Spurs have got their version of the Grealish money from the Kane sale though.

And Spam/ Brighton for similar reasons. Chelsea will be interesting though although they always seem to be ahead on how to structure stuff to get around FFP.

Chelsea have brought in an insane amount of money from selling home grown players in recent years, though. I think they are alright for now, but pretty soon if they fail more than once to reach the champions league, or fail to find a home grown gem to sell, they're going to have problems.

They had the one summer the same as the Grealish summer where they sold 118 mil euros of homegrown players and spent it pretty much all on bringing Lukaku back. They then spent 611 mil euros the following summer with very little expenditure and 511 mil last year albeit with Mount (homegrown) and others being sold for 250m euros. So I don't see how over 1 billion being spent in two seasons with 350mil back is profitable, even with it being London prices. Of course most of those they had on the 10 year contracts to spread the cost before that got banned.

It's because that big money for home grown players all goes into the current year, so so long as they continue doing that, they're ok.

They'll sell Gallagher this summer for a decent fee, and that'll float it all for a bit longer.

It's a gamble, a big one, and I hope it blows up in their smug faces, but that's how they're doing it and staying within the rules.

I think probably (other than Everton), the team with the biggest problem here is Newcastle, as they only seem to do the one side of the transfer equation - the buying players bit - they never seem to sell home grown talent for decent money.

[Proposition Joe]

Can anyone guess how much of the £120m counts against the FFP rules once the non-qualifying expenditure is knocked off?

There's a Tweet from Maher that says ~£56m in covid related costs and then the club statement mentions ~£13m in infrastructure investment so potentially around £69-70m

Given we made a profit the year before, this still has us OK with the rolling average?

[tomd2103]

Fuck it. Go all out for chumps league next season, accept a points deduction and just start behind everyone else.

Everton's 10 point deduction in the Autumn was for the period ending 21/22 wasn't it, so more than a season after?

[pauliewalnuts]

Chelsea have brought in an insane amount of money from selling home grown players in recent years, though. I think they are alright for now, but pretty soon if they fail more than once to reach the champions league, or fail to find a home grown gem to sell, they're going to have problems.

The issue that they have with those eight year contracts is that to maintain their financial health they need to find an Abraham / Tomori / Mount / Guehi or two every season for the next decade.

And when you find yoursel as mediocre as Chelsea currently are, anything that they find like that is going to be going straight into the first team. Hopefully their commercial clout starts to dry up soon too, leaving them properly buggered.

Yeah. It'll be Gallagher this year, but then you do wonder at what point they run out of 'runway' like this.

[Chris Harte]

Fuck it. Go all out for chumps league next season, accept a points deduction and just start behind everyone else.

Even if we had six points taken off us now we'd still be ahead of Yanited.

Part of me would think we'd be good enough to absorb that penalty.

[The Edge]

The old "beak the bank" approach, ask Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Derby how that worked out.

Yes those clubs definitely went down in the pecking order after that.

[kippaxvilla2]

The old "beak the bank" approach, ask Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Derby how that worked out.

Yes those clubs definitely went down in the pecking order after that.

In their case one swallow a summer did not make.