FFP

[Brazilian Villain]

bar his debut and the Leeds game he's been largely crap. His injury record and wages etc and a 4 year deal ! raised eyebrows . 

It's not like you to raise eyebrows.

[OCD]

I have seen talk of FFP being discussed by the Premier League chairmen at their next meeting, with the view to relaxing the rules a bit.

Purslow's recent comments were interesting. And I agree with the point he made about a system that encourages you to sell your homegrown talent isn't right.

[Ads]

Handing Bailey a big new contract. Signing Captian Rogers and the Serbian Cafu are also two other unusual steps to take if you've apparently lost €138m.

[VillaTim]

Handing Bailey a big new contract. Signing Captian Rogers and the Serbian Cafu are also two other unusual steps to take if you've apparently lost €138m.

At least it would prove consistency in financial mismanagement

[Stu]

He doesn't know anymore here, as its the same report Smirker posted that we all dissected. Can't see how we've lost that much, but we'll see.

Hey, that was my scoop!

Are you accusing Ads of stealing your pint?

No I said Smirker said it as I thought it was him that brought it up.

I take posting on this forum incredibly seriously

[Risso]

I have seen talk of FFP being discussed by the Premier League chairmen at their next meeting, with the view to relaxing the rules a bit.

Purslow's recent comments were interesting. And I agree with the point he made about a system that encourages you to sell your homegrown talent isn't right.

They need to decide what it is that they want to achieve. FFP doesn't really work on any level. None of the clubs owned by gazillionaires are going to go bust. And it obviously hasn't created a level playing field in terms of silverware won, as Man City have literally won everything and got away with murder. Then if you take a club like Forest, deducting points such that they get relegated is obviously going to make their financial situation much worse, which seems self-defeating.

I certainly don't want a free for all as otherwise Newcastle would be offering Emi and Torres £1m a week to get themselves up the A1 inside the first five minutes, but the current situation just isn't working at all.

[Somniloquism]

I have seen talk of FFP being discussed by the Premier League chairmen at their next meeting, with the view to relaxing the rules a bit.

Purslow's recent comments were interesting. And I agree with the point he made about a system that encourages you to sell your homegrown talent isn't right.

It might be that the limits have not changed with inflation so might be discussing altering those up.

[ASHTONVILLA]

If we need to sell, then the most likely will be Ramsey who would fetch in £40m plus, and would be pure FFP profit.

I would imagine we would also try to sell Archer again. Digne will be hawked about as he is a big earner we already have Moreno. Can see Duran being sold, and us making a decent profit on him too (already been replaced by Rogers).

Dendoncker, Olsen, Chambers and Coutinho will all be either loaned or sold. Carlos would probably go if a decent offer came in too, given Mings will be back.

Of that lot, Ramsey is the only one I would be upset about going.

Edit - would also have Lenglet and possibly Zaniolo off the wage bill next season too. One would hope that the squad players can be replaced with youth players like Iroegbunam, Kellyman, Kesler-Hayden, and the two new youngsters signed in January.

[ChicagoLion]

I have seen talk of FFP being discussed by the Premier League chairmen at their next meeting, with the view to relaxing the rules a bit.

Purslow's recent comments were interesting. And I agree with the point he made about a system that encourages you to sell your homegrown talent isn't right.

They need to decide what it is that they want to achieve. FFP doesn't really work on any level. None of the clubs owned by gazillionaires are going to go bust. And it obviously hasn't created a level playing field in terms of silverware won, as Man City have literally won everything and got away with murder. Then if you take a club like Forest, deducting points such that they get relegated is obviously going to make their financial situation much worse, which seems self-defeating.

I certainly don't want a free for all as otherwise Newcastle would be offering Emi and Torres £1m a week to get themselves up the A1 inside the first five minutes, but the current situation just isn't working at all.

Do you have any thoughts on a better way as a measurement purely based on the P&L performance is not adequate?
Obviously they need rules regarding related party activity.
The problem is that FFP was bought in to stop clubs going bust which to an extent has worked, they are now needing to deal with the unfair competition being driven by clubs with unlimited resources.
Interesting to hear your views.

[VILLA MOLE]

I have seen talk of FFP being discussed by the Premier League chairmen at their next meeting, with the view to relaxing the rules a bit.

Purslow's recent comments were interesting. And I agree with the point he made about a system that encourages you to sell your homegrown talent isn't right.

They need to decide what it is that they want to achieve. FFP doesn't really work on any level. None of the clubs owned by gazillionaires are going to go bust. And it obviously hasn't created a level playing field in terms of silverware won, as Man City have literally won everything and got away with murder. Then if you take a club like Forest, deducting points such that they get relegated is obviously going to make their financial situation much worse, which seems self-defeating.

I certainly don't want a free for all as otherwise Newcastle would be offering Emi and Torres £1m a week to get themselves up the A1 inside the first five minutes, but the current situation just isn't working at all.

Do you have any thoughts on a better way as a measurement purely based on the P&L performance is not adequate?
Obviously they need rules regarding related party activity.
The problem is that FFP was bought in to stop clubs going bust which to an extent has worked, they are now needing to deal with the unfair competition being driven by clubs with unlimited resources.
Interesting to hear your views.

I think you look at limiting the number of players you can purchase including loans so teams cant stock pile players to manipulate the system.  Also look at a wage cap but that would have to be worldwide thing with FIFA to implement

[Somniloquism]

Wage caps would be hard to introduce worldwide tbh. How do you cap wages in the Belize league compared to the Prem? And even in the Prem alone, what is the level for the cap when one team has an average of £300k a week and someone lower who has just been promoted has an average of £50k a week. Do you state all teams have an average of £100k and the ones on more have to take a paycut or be sold? That will lead to lots of lawsuits from players and teams. And it would still be unfair towards the richer successful clubs then the lower ones.

[London Villan]

Depends which perspective you are viewing it from...

Limiting loans
Maximum squad sizes
Transparent transfer deals with fees clearly reported
Transfer deadline before season starts - no other transfers


Then more radically...

Budget caps for transfers (but you can profit from sales) on a sliding scale with promoted teams given highest limits...


None of that favours the current hierarchy though.

[Ads]

Make FFP indexed to inflation. You allow for bigger permissible losses and given they're ultimately guaranteed by owners, you're still managing risk.

[ChicagoLion]

Make FFP indexed to inflation. You allow for bigger permissible losses and given they're ultimately guaranteed by owners, you're still managing risk.

Works for bigger well financed clubs, but losses are not guaranteed by owners.

[SoccerHQ]

Handing Bailey a big new contract. Signing Captian Rogers and the Serbian Cafu are also two other unusual steps to take if you've apparently lost €138m.

The young players are just guys we can just move on if they don't work out. Rogers scores 4-5 goals in a season but dosen't step up to the level needed, can just sell him to a newly promoted club in two years for more than we paid.

It makes more sense then getting in a Digne or Coutinho who are nearly impossible to shift permanently with the wages they're on.