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Offline Gareth

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Re: FFP
« Reply #840 on: February 27, 2024, 11:21:41 PM »
Seems some are very quick to give up & propose selling the best players…how about we try behaving like a big club and just ignore it.  Punishment is 6 points next season, will lose more points if we just flog the best players
Just ignore it yeah that sounds like a well thought out plan.

Yep, ignore a rumour and deal with it if it becomes fact & trust that those who actually know the facts are dealing with it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #841 on: February 27, 2024, 11:23:29 PM »
Seems some are very quick to give up & propose selling the best players…how about we try behaving like a big club and just ignore it.  Punishment is 6 points next season, will lose more points if we just flog the best players
Just ignore it yeah that sounds like a well thought out plan.

Yep, ignore a rumour and deal with it if it becomes fact & trust that those who actually know the facts are dealing with it.
We'll find out in the next few weeks.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #842 on: February 27, 2024, 11:27:53 PM »
Seems some are very quick to give up & propose selling the best players…how about we try behaving like a big club and just ignore it.  Punishment is 6 points next season, will lose more points if we just flog the best players
Just ignore it yeah that sounds like a well thought out plan.

Yep, ignore a rumour and deal with it if it becomes fact & trust that those who actually know the facts are dealing with it.
We'll find out in the next few weeks.

Indeed, guess it will be us and a few others in similar boats awaiting numbers.  I know Chelsea have been mentioned

Offline Smirker

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Re: FFP
« Reply #843 on: February 27, 2024, 11:34:36 PM »
Much as it pains me to say it, I think big emi will go. The drop-off between the worlds number 1 and any reserve is too big. £100m for Emi and replace him with at least 2 very good keepers would improve our squad and solve ffp in one go.

I'd be very surprised. If I had to predict one player I'd say Luiz. Martínez is constantly coming out with his aspirations and they always include us.

I know Ratboy left. I'm not saying Emi won't. But I doubt it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #844 on: February 27, 2024, 11:56:25 PM »
Much as it pains me to say it, I think big emi will go. The drop-off between the worlds number 1 and any reserve is too big. £100m for Emi and replace him with at least 2 very good keepers would improve our squad and solve ffp in one go.

I'd be very surprised. If I had to predict one player I'd say Luiz. Martínez is constantly coming out with his aspirations and they always include us.

I know Ratboy left. I'm not saying Emi won't. But I doubt it.
We've got plenty of players worth over £50m so Emery would have a choice if it comes down to it.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #845 on: February 28, 2024, 12:18:56 AM »
Emi being a keeper wouldn’t fetch anything like enough to make a difference.

It’d be Dougie or Ollie.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #846 on: February 28, 2024, 12:23:00 AM »
Kieran Maguire knows the subject more than just about anyone.

Disturbing if true.

He does, but when he was on that pod a few weeks ago he sounded like he had Garth Crooks-like knowledge of the Villa situation.

Exactly, he might have an inkling of numbers but he won’t have any knowledge of any discussions betw Villa and the PL etc or any of the mitigations put forward if indeed we have breached anything

You certainly don’t create a ‘3m & Josh Onomah’ situation by selling quality at discount prices.

Dendonker to Zed FC for 50m :-)

I didn’t suggest he knew anything more than the numbers, and I hope we’re not having any discussions whatsoever with the PL.

I’m just saying, if there’s someone predicting FFP problems, I’d much rather it was someone who wouldn’t be able to find the ‘on’ button on a calculator or understand the basics of arithmetic, or indeed the concept of numbers - like, to pick a name at random that dribbling moron Coopers Injury who used to post here - than someone who is basically considered the media’s preeminent expert on football finance.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #847 on: February 28, 2024, 12:34:01 AM »
Seems some are very quick to give up & propose selling the best players…how about we try behaving like a big club and just ignore it.  Punishment is 6 points next season, will lose more points if we just flog the best players
Just ignore it yeah that sounds like a well thought out plan.

Yep, ignore a rumour and deal with it if it becomes fact & trust that those who actually know the facts are dealing with it.
We'll find out in the next few weeks.

Indeed, guess it will be us and a few others in similar boats awaiting numbers.  I know Chelsea have been mentioned
Yeah spot on Gareth, you'd expect they will be knee deep in shite. It would be nice if Man Chea£y were finally dealt with too.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #848 on: February 28, 2024, 03:11:44 AM »
Kieran Maguire knows the subject more than just about anyone.

Disturbing if true.

He does, but when he was on that pod a few weeks ago he sounded like he had Garth Crooks-like knowledge of the Villa situation.

Exactly, he might have an inkling of numbers but he won’t have any knowledge of any discussions betw Villa and the PL etc or any of the mitigations put forward if indeed we have breached anything

You certainly don’t create a ‘3m & Josh Onomah’ situation by selling quality at discount prices.

Dendonker to Zed FC for 50m :-)

I didn’t suggest he knew anything more than the numbers, and I hope we’re not having any discussions whatsoever with the PL.

I’m just saying, if there’s someone predicting FFP problems, I’d much rather it was someone who wouldn’t be able to find the ‘on’ button on a calculator or understand the basics of arithmetic, or indeed the concept of numbers - like, to pick a name at random that dribbling moron Coopers Injury who used to post here - than someone who is basically considered the media’s preeminent expert on football finance.

He even got the numbers wrong on that podcast, (using out of date figures for match day income), and the year the Grealish money came in. Honestly, I felt like I did when I heard Shearer say Villa are doing well because they haven’t had any injuries. He sounded like he hadn’t had time to read up on us properly.

Plus he hasn’t said anything about this latest story. People have got confused because his @ was in the tweet, put there by someone hoping to attract him to comment.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2024, 09:13:40 AM by Percy McCarthy »

Offline sid1964

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Re: FFP
« Reply #849 on: February 28, 2024, 06:29:41 AM »
How can we lose £130 million + in one season? and if true why we would buy players in January.




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Re: FFP
« Reply #850 on: February 28, 2024, 08:00:02 AM »
Kieran Maguire knows the subject more than just about anyone.

Disturbing if true.


Indeed, I don’t really understand how we could have posted that level of loss.

Offline jwarry

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Re: FFP
« Reply #851 on: February 28, 2024, 08:15:25 AM »
Of course there is a certain £17m player plying his trade in Saudi that could be sold….

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Re: FFP
« Reply #852 on: February 28, 2024, 08:25:40 AM »
The UEFA report contained both estimated and actual figures. I believe it had a table early on saying which clubs were which, and our figures were listed as 'actual'.

We know that our accounts were handed to the PL in December, and the PL are happy as we haven't been charged.

So if we have lost EUR 138m (and remember the UEFA report shows a lot lower operating loss), then it hasn't been large enough to trigger FFP issues on its own. It can only then be an issue if this years accounts push us over the edge. But this year will see significantly increased revenues (from better sponsor deal, european games, ticket price increases, higher PL prize money, etc. ).

Nobody knows anything about this seasons accounts except those inside the club, and we won't know anything until they're submitted for inspection in December and we do or don't get charged.

If we really ended last season with such massive problems, would we have spent another net £70m this season on top? And as we now can't sell until our next financial year, would we have really ended January without making a sale to bring this season back into compliance?

I'm not sure I've seen enough evidence to suggest we've put a monkey (or Chris Heck) in charge of the accounts.

Having to sell to spend or get some of the high earners like Coutinho and Digne off the books to earn wiggle room, I can see that. I can also see a loss that would be covered by selling lower valued players than our stars.

Offline sid1964

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Re: FFP
« Reply #853 on: February 28, 2024, 09:01:43 AM »
If we have lost £138 million during the last season - is that the reason why the owners got rid of Purslow?

Online Dave

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Re: FFP
« Reply #854 on: February 28, 2024, 09:04:57 AM »
Of course there is a certain £17m player plying his trade in Saudi that could be sold….

*wracks brain*

Nope, I got nothing.

 


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