FFP

[chrisw1]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

[pablo_picasso]

Agreed. But then Villa have a history of mismanagement by owners & board members...

[Somniloquism]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

I think people forget that Spurs had a billionaire owner in Joe Lewis/Enic for a lot longer then we did and their best period came more because they happened to stumble across the best English striker of the current generation then because of any real wheeler dealing. I would argue that Levy has probably held them back more then helped them over the 22 years he has been there.

[pauliewalnuts]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

I think people forget that Spurs had a billionaire owner in Joe Lewis/Enic for a lot longer then we did and their best period came more because they happened to stumble across the best English striker of the current generation then because of any real wheeler dealing. I would argue that Levy has probably held them back more then helped them over the 22 years he has been there.

But then again, Levy managed to hold on to that best English striker for way longer than most clubs would have.

[brontebilly]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

I think people forget that Spurs had a billionaire owner in Joe Lewis/Enic for a lot longer then we did and their best period came more because they happened to stumble across the best English striker of the current generation then because of any real wheeler dealing. I would argue that Levy has probably held them back more then helped them over the 22 years he has been there.

Maybe they deserve credit for unearthing said striker from their academy? Spurs were a nothing club really on a par with West Ham operating from a decrepit stadium before Levy's time. They have the infrastructure in place now, and the coach, to really challenge for a PL title over next few years I think.

[Brazilian Villain]

This is all getting dangerously close to Daniel Levy/Spurs love-in territory.

[ChicagoLion]

This is all getting dangerously close to Daniel Levy/Spurs love-in territory.

Of all the things to dislike about Spurs, for me the worst is the adoption of When the Saints, as if it’s their on anthem, they even have a wanky trumpet version to “ set the scene” with a bloke standing in a platform and playing the trumpet before kick off. Twats.

[Dante Lavelli]

How are spurs stadium debts factored into FFP?  I’ve read that they owe £800+ so could be looking at £15-20m per year on interest payments alone.  Everton have been done for excluding stadium interest payments in their FFP calculations, so wondering how the rule is applied (and could be applied to Villa)?

[Dave P]

I’m sure stadium costs aren’t included in FFP? Everton were done partly for taking out a loan and claiming it was for the stadium but used it for general club running costs.

[Dante Lavelli]

I’m sure stadium costs aren’t included in FFP? Everton were done partly for taking out a loan and claiming it was for the stadium but used it for general club running costs.

That’s what I thought too, but Everton were stung by it (the interest bit anyway).  I think you’re probably correct that Everton have been a bit loose with how the stadium loan was spent but it strikes me as a grey area.  A club burdened with stadium debt is okay but one that buys too many players is not.   

[Villan82]

I’m sure stadium costs aren’t included in FFP? Everton were done partly for taking out a loan and claiming it was for the stadium but used it for general club running costs.

Correct.

The club have just cancelled the biggest refurbishment of Villa Park since 2001 and they have given us no explanation. It stinks of a really, really short-sighted sighted decision in these circumstances and is just going to prevent us capitalising on the Emery era.

[Gareth]

Spurs are trendy with the media (all fart no s**t as a club in reality), anyone on the West Midlands isn’t…just think back to the hero worship Hoddle got from Fleet Street compared to Sid who could do everything Hoddle could but wasn’t a passenger when the opposition had the ball :-)

[Chris Smith]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

I think people forget that Spurs had a billionaire owner in Joe Lewis/Enic for a lot longer then we did and their best period came more because they happened to stumble across the best English striker of the current generation then because of any real wheeler dealing. I would argue that Levy has probably held them back more then helped them over the 22 years he has been there.

Maybe they deserve credit for unearthing said striker from their academy? Spurs were a nothing club really on a par with West Ham operating from a decrepit stadium before Levy's time. They have the infrastructure in place now, and the coach, to really challenge for a PL title over next few years I think.

I think he came through the Arsenal academy.

[HolteL4]

I know they've broken the rules, I just think the rule concerned is kind of bollocks.

Yeah it is, but taking each case on its merits nobody forced them to sign the gazillion players that ended up with them needing to flog Johnson to balance the books.

But they finished the transfer window within the rules! Plenty of teams buy in anticipation of a sale to balance it. The exact timing of it is arbitrary and doesn't line up at all with the actual opportunity afforded the club to get their p&s in order.

I don't think it is arbitrary, it was mentioned earlier in the thread the point where one season finishes and ends contractually and in competitive terms is end of June.

If it doesn't line up with the actual window of opportunity to get their financial house in order, i.e. the transfer window, I'd say it's at least skewed.

Chris, I see the point, I do, I just can't actually see where Forest gained some huge advantage here. They sold their best player by miles to stay within the regulations.

It's fundamentally flawed. Player trading isn't like umbrellas or stocks, there are only limited trading periods. Drawing a line during one is idiotic. Forest obviously gambled here, what if no club came in hard for Johnson and they ended up selling him for less than Brentford's bid. But it was a calculated gamble, clubs always get desperate (and cashed up) near the end of the window and so it proved here.

I'm sure I heard that Forrest accepted a bid (I think from Fulham) before the deadline which would have put them back within the rules but Johnson rejected it because he wanted to go to Spurs and by the time Spurs had bid and it all went through the deadline had passed?

[jwarry]

Another thing people forget is that Spurs entry into the so called big 6 was on the back of a decent Manager, player trading and driving commercial performance. They were probably pretty similar to us in the late noughties but over the next 10 years as we stagnated they drove forwards. We can catch up but player trading will be part of that equation.

In the lst 30 years, Villa & Spurs have won the same amount of trophies & Villa have finished higher than Spurs in the table more times than not.

And thats without us being in the league for three hears & having to go through Lerners divorce & then that Del Boy type imbecile from China...

And this just goes to show what a great job Levy did for them compared to a combination of Ellis, Lerner and shit shoes for us.

I can't be arsed to look at the actual stats, but when Levy took over we were consistently finishing above Spurs.  They may not have won anything, but in that time he's taken them to regular CL football, established them as a fixture in the 'Sky 6' and built them a world-class billion-pound stadium.  He may be a bit of a prick and not quite the transfer negotiator he thinks he is, but the difference in our paths in that period has been stark.   

I think people forget that Spurs had a billionaire owner in Joe Lewis/Enic for a lot longer then we did and their best period came more because they happened to stumble across the best English striker of the current generation then because of any real wheeler dealing. I would argue that Levy has probably held them back more then helped them over the 22 years he has been there.

Maybe they deserve credit for unearthing said striker from their academy? Spurs were a nothing club really on a par with West Ham operating from a decrepit stadium before Levy's time. They have the infrastructure in place now, and the coach, to really challenge for a PL title over next few years I think.

I think he came through the Arsenal academy.

According to Wiki

“ Kane first played for a local club, Ridgeway Rovers, and joined the Arsenal youth academy when he was eight years old. He was released after one season for being "a bit chubby" and not "very athletic", according to Liam Brady who was then in charge of Arsenal's academy.‘

😂