FFP

[aj2k77]

Fuck FFP in the summer then, spend what we need within reason and take a 2/4/6 pts deduction.

[Ads]

A limited points deduction does seem like a better option than having to sell one of your best players to one of the monied clubs above you. Clubs who you're attempting to compete with inside a financial framework designed as such, that means you must periodically strengthen them and simultaneously weaken yourself, in order to avoid punishment for the audacity of competing.

[Somniloquism]

Although if the PL suspect it is a deliberate ploy to gain the system, then 6 could become 8 or 10 again.

[Sexual Ealing]

Although if the PL suspect it is a deliberate ploy to gain the system, then 6 could become 8 or 10 again.

Exactly.

[lovejoy]

It’s like VAR, no consistency.

[aj2k77]

Forest sold Johnson when they wanted to. We can sell our players when we want to. Who decides how long you can hold on to a player for? Surely a players contract is the defining factor in how long you hold on to a player for. Who decides and by what measure if you are gaming the system? We've tried to stay within the rules but we've failed. That was what Forest said too. They got a 4pter.

[ChicagoLion]

Forest sold Johnson when they wanted to. We can sell our players when we want to. Who decides how long you can hold on to a player for? Surely a players contract is the defining factor in how long you hold on to a player for. Who decides and by what measure if you are gaming the system? We've tried to stay within the rules but we've failed. That was what Forest said too. They got a 4pter.

Have we failed?

[pablo_picasso]

Forest sold Johnson when they wanted to. We can sell our players when we want to. Who decides how long you can hold on to a player for? Surely a players contract is the defining factor in how long you hold on to a player for. Who decides and by what measure if you are gaming the system? We've tried to stay within the rules but we've failed. That was what Forest said too. They got a 4pter.

When you have broken the rules by a set date.

I get the frustration that Chelsea & ManC are fucking the rules in the face right in front of our eyes, but Forest broke the rules.

Set rules, for a specific date.

Ignore the argument for being told when they are allowed to sell a player. That is not what has happened.

If they were that concerned with getting the most for Johnson, they wouldn't have purchased enough players to set them over the FFP limit by the set date for punishments, before they sold Johnson.

They chose to purchase players before selling a key member.

That has nothing to do with the FA, the Premier League, etc, telling them what they can & cant do, other than the FFP/PSR rules that we all are meant to be following.

Their rule breaking was simple & punished as such.

Now ManC & Chelsea, they are a different kettle of fish altogether.

[AV82EC]

Forest sold Johnson when they wanted to. We can sell our players when we want to. Who decides how long you can hold on to a player for? Surely a players contract is the defining factor in how long you hold on to a player for. Who decides and by what measure if you are gaming the system? We've tried to stay within the rules but we've failed. That was what Forest said too. They got a 4pter.

No we haven’t.

[Percy McCarthy]

Although if the PL suspect it is a deliberate ploy to gain the system, then 6 could become 8 or 10 again.

I don’t think it can be 9 or 10. The reason Everton’s 10 point deduction was reduced on appeal was because the tariff for administration is 9, and it was deemed that breaching FFP has to be judged as less serious than that.

[aj2k77]

We haven't failed, I was only speaking hypothetically. The bar is set so low now that if in doubt you surely stick two fingers up at it. Anything from 2-8 pts or gut your squad? I'll take the points deduction everytime.

[lovejoy]

Will the authorities take FFP seriously? I think we found our answer today. Scrap it, not fit for purpose.

[Somniloquism]

Although if the PL suspect it is a deliberate ploy to gain the system, then 6 could become 8 or 10 again.

I don’t think it can be 9 or 10. The reason Everton’s 10 point deduction was reduced on appeal was because the tariff for administration is 9, and it was deemed that breaching FFP has to be judged as less serious than that.

But it was also reduced to 6 as unlike the original panel, they decided that Everton didn't deliberately try to obfuscate the funding in their accounts and decided it was genuine mistakes. So 6 is basic, then points are worked added on or off for how deliberate the breach was and how forthcoming the club is to the PL.

If they decide clubs are deliberately going over because they don't think the points will be an issue in the long run, then they might increase the 6.

Also, people need to remember that a breach is punished the next season, so we might finish 5th and potentially in the CL with a 4-6 point reduction this season*, but next season we won't know if it will be the difference between winning the league, getting any European place, or even relegation if 20 players get an ACL on Sept 1st.

*Not that I think we have breached any FFP.

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t think we’ve breached, but I suspect we need to take action to ensure we don’t.

[tomd2103]

I don’t think we’ve breached, but I suspect we need to take action to ensure we don’t.

I guess it depends on the deductibles doesn't it?  If they are quite substantial, then I think we could be the right side of it.  If not, then that £120m loss last year could prove to be problematic until it goes off the 3 year cycle (if FFP remains in place that long) couldn't it?