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[Dogtanian]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

[pauliewalnuts]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

He's not doing anything - he's taking the numbers from the accounts.

These figures shouldn't really surprise anyone, we've had piss poor economic performance for years now.

[pauliewalnuts]

Look at the last reported year in which we had 20 home matches across all competitions.

Gate receipts - 18.8m

£940,000 per match

Assume 40k each match (it prob works out as more than that, but I can't be arsed)

£23.5 per person per match.

Then take away the share of that gate revenue that goes to the away team, and it's less than that - and these figures are in a year which saw an uplift of 17% in gate money on the season before.

For all of us paying 60 quid a ticket, there are plenty paying way, way less than that.

[PeterWithesShin]

Home side keeps all the gate receipts for league matches.

[pauliewalnuts]

Fair point. Even so, that's still a pretty low figure for us.

[eamonn]

You didn't think we shared gate-receipts outside of cup games, did you? You're like learned and shi'.

[pauliewalnuts]

You start to see why Heck is doing what he does when you look at those figures, but at the same time, you wonder why no new North Stand, as it's hard to see where he really manages to shift things (other than squeezing prices, and even that's going to have limited impact).

[Dogtanian]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

He's not doing anything - he's taking the numbers from the accounts.

These figures shouldn't really surprise anyone, we've had piss poor economic performance for years now.

Erm… right? You mean, what I said he’d done? 

[pauliewalnuts]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

He's not doing anything - he's taking the numbers from the accounts.

These figures shouldn't really surprise anyone, we've had piss poor economic performance for years now.

Erm… right? You mean, what I said he’d done? 

How's it not matchday revenue (per fan), then? That's the bit I don't get. It looks like pretty straightforward maths to me? Unless I am missing something.

[pauliewalnuts]

Slight tangent, but I bet, should we qualify for the CL, those match tickets are going to be phenomenally spendy.

[Dogtanian]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

He's not doing anything - he's taking the numbers from the accounts.

These figures shouldn't really surprise anyone, we've had piss poor economic performance for years now.

Erm… right? You mean, what I said he’d done? 

How's it not matchday revenue (per fan), then? That's the bit I don't get. It looks like pretty straightforward maths to me? Unless I am missing something.

It doesn’t include food or programmes or corporate spend, it’s ticket sales, which is just a proportion of matchday revenue.

They’re reported separately in the accounts, but lumped in with commercial sponsorship.

[pauliewalnuts]

Okay, looking at our accounts he’s dividing gate receipts by attendance.

So it’s not matchday revenue at all. But it is still surprisingly low, even taking into account VAT, away tickets capped at £30, and lower priced cup tickets…

He's not doing anything - he's taking the numbers from the accounts.

These figures shouldn't really surprise anyone, we've had piss poor economic performance for years now.

Erm… right? You mean, what I said he’d done? 

How's it not matchday revenue (per fan), then? That's the bit I don't get. It looks like pretty straightforward maths to me? Unless I am missing something.

It doesn’t include food or programmes or corporate spend, it’s ticket sales, which is just a proportion of matchday revenue.

They’re reported separately in the accounts, but lumped in with commercial sponsorship.

I thought the discussion as specifically about income per fan, and programme sales aren't going to impact that.

But even if you look at our commercial revenue, it has been poor for ages.

Said this before but for years, we've managed to combine membership of a league which has a licence to print money, with poor commercial revenue  growth (going back decades).

[Dogtanian]

You are right, it’s poor on both fronts. Compare it to Leeds for example.

It’s just that his table says matchday revenue per fan, which is misleading as you’d include food and drink sales and everything in that too.

It is very low, regardless. We must have a lot of concession sales pulling it down. I also wonder if box sales go into corporate rather than tickets, as you’d expect that to pull it upward too.

[PeterWithesShin]

Being decent in Europe, and domestic cups, makes a fair sized difference. Previous 2 seasons combined we had 1 home cup game, Stevenage. This season Lille makes a minimum of 7, and we were shit in the domestic cups. The teams we're competing with have those extra games pretty much every season. Extra gate revenue, plus extra TV money, sponsorship, prize money, merch/food/drink.

[Dogtanian]

Being decent in Europe, and domestic cups, makes a fair sized difference. Previous 2 seasons combined we had 1 home cup game, Stevenage. This season Lille makes a minimum of 7, and we were shit in the domestic cups. The teams we're competing with have those extra games pretty much every season. Extra gate revenue, plus extra TV money, sponsorship, prize money, merch/food/drink.

Yeah, I worked out we have an extra £5-6m in ticket sales from our home european games up to the QF.