Aston Villa 2-2 Always bitter Sam’s Bitters post match thread

[DB]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?

24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.

Martinez made a few himself.

[Percy McCarthy]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

They would have said the opposite had he left the player he was marking (Pereira?)  earlier and he’d have been slipped in for a one-on-one with the keeper and scored.. It’s like whenever a striker goes through on goal - if he shoots and the keeper saves, the commentators/pundits are unshakeable in their belief that he should have squared it for someone who was wide open. If he squares it and his mate misses, they are equally certain he should have shot. Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

[cdbearsfan]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

That’s it. I am happy that we did what was necessary in the second half and had them under siege. I long for the day when can do that to Man City/manure etc.

We didn't do what was necessary. We needed to score (at least) two goals and only managed one.

[paul_e]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?

24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.

Martinez made a few himself.

I can only think of 2 meaningful saves Martinez had to make:
one diving to his left in the first half which looked spectacular but it was at the sort of height where most premier league keepers would make it.
the other was in the second half tipping one over the bar which was a decent effort but again you'd expect the keeper to save it.

Johnstone was definitely the busier of the 2 and on balance i think we had the better chances, the Watkins one-on-one and the Davis effort of the post were easily the best opportunities that weren't taken in the game.

[kipeye]

Didn't think we were fortunate at all, a well deserved point.

I enjoyed myself, but then I don't spend all game winding myself up.

We could always go back a few seasons...

[brontebilly]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?

24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.

Martinez made a few himself.

I can only think of 2 meaningful saves Martinez had to make:
one diving to his left in the first half which looked spectacular but it was at the sort of height where most premier league keepers would make it.
the other was in the second half tipping one over the bar which was a decent effort but again you'd expect the keeper to save it.

Johnstone was definitely the busier of the 2 and on balance i think we had the better chances, the Watkins one-on-one and the Davis effort of the post were easily the best opportunities that weren't taken in the game.

They also hit the post in the first half with the Perreira free kick, which to be honest I think Martinez got a bit lucky with as he was caught under the ball. Martinez would have had no chance with the earlier free kick from Perreira which whistled just over the top corner. We were very sloppy in giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Luiz getting done at corner flag was embarrassing, didn't Martinez have to pull off a decent save there too? It was all coming through Perreira anyway.

Thought Davis missed a better chance when he turned smartly in the box but unfortunately passed it into Johnstone's hands. I never fancied Watkins with his one, made a hero out of the keeper. It was a very open game, chances at both ends.

[olaftab]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

That’s it. I am happy that we did what was necessary in the second half and had them under siege. I long for the day when can do that to Man City/manure etc.

We didn't do what was necessary. We needed to score (at least) two goals and only managed one.

Yes Ok but I meant in the way of application and putting our opponents under pressure. If you do that for long enough it inevitably results in goals.

[Meanwood Villa]

The match could easily have gone any way of the three possible results given the chances both teams had.

A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.

[paul_e]

They also hit the post in the first half with the Perreira free kick, which to be honest I think Martinez got a bit lucky with as he was caught under the ball. Martinez would have had no chance with the earlier free kick from Perreira which whistled just over the top corner. We were very sloppy in giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Luiz getting done at corner flag was embarrassing, didn't Martinez have to pull off a decent save there too? It was all coming through Perreira anyway.

Thought Davis missed a better chance when he turned smartly in the box but unfortunately passed it into Johnstone's hands. I never fancied Watkins with his one, made a hero out of the keeper. It was a very open game, chances at both ends.

However lucky Martinez may have bene if that had gone in it'd have bene the biggest fluke of the season, that was 100% a mishit cross. The keeper not covering a free kick that was off target doesn't bother me. Luiz getting done didn't bother me, if Grealish did that to someone no one would blame the defender, it was just a clever bit of player from the only decent player they had, that move was the save diving to his left I mentioned and was their best chance (including both of their goals).

I agree the turn and shot should've been a better chance but because he scuffed it the keeper had nothing to do. In both cases if they'd come after his goal I think he'd have done better. I really hope that the confidence of finally getting that monkey off his back brings some composure to his game in front of goal. I honestly believe he has it in him to be a very good 2nd or 3rd striker in this league (as does Wesley).

[LeeB]

Thought on for a big win dominate 1st half and created many opportunities and second half lacked final thrust but good endeavour to not lose another match after taking lead.
Davis fantastic alertness in the box for his goal.

Martinez 7.5
Elmohamady 6.5
Targett 7.5
Mings 7
Konsa 5.5,
McGinn 7.5
Douglas Luiz 6.5
Barkley 6.5
El Ghazi 7
Traore 6
Watkins 8
Davis 7.5
Ramsey 7.5
Wesley. Welcome back!

About fair I'd say, maybe a touch harsh on Elmo but his crossing was way too floaty for my liking.

He hit one really weird shaped cross that bent and dipped so much I thought it was going to end up back at his feet.

[LeeB]

That 'chance' they had when Martinez tipped it onto the bar from Konsa was a double foul by Bartley, he'd got Konsa's shirt in one fist and another players in the other, you only see it from the replay on the reverse angle.

Had it gone in no doubt it would have been allowed.

[PhilVill]

Morning all, I was one of the moaning gets last night having a go at Dean. I really like the bloke and he, more than anyone, will be desperate to get this team back to the top but I just don’t think he has it in him to take the next step. This close season is going to be vital, the club needs to show Grealish they really mean business otherwise he will go and I don’t blame him, it’s a very short career. The owners have been brilliant but I do believe that they won’t be as patient next season if they invest heavily (again) and performances aren’t upto scratch. Anyway, just an opinion and regardless of what we all think the hierarchy’s opinions are the only ones that matter!

[Brazilian Villain]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?
 

No, just a light-hearted reference to the age in BE's profile.

[Bad English]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

Is that a polite way to say ‘you’re an old bastard’?

24 shots, 11 on target suggests we weren’t that bad and if Sam Johnston hadn’t pulled off a couple of world class saves we’d have been out of sight.

Martinez made a few himself.

My post simply reflects my disappointment at not taking 3 points off Smethwick. Also, I was fairly well-refreshed after spending the afternoon drinking wine and eating snails. I wouldn't dwell on it.

[Brazilian Villain]

A disappointing result on paper but was a decent match really.

They not only said that on MOTD but went on the Sunderland forum last night and plenty there saying how good a game of football it was.