Aston Villa 2-2 Always bitter Sam’s Bitters post match thread

[PaulWinch again]

Nah it’s not Mings fault. It’s an unfortunate slip from Ezri that makes it very difficult.

[RamboandBruno]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.

Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.

I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.

There was no need for Konsa to take the ball down as he did, the best defenders in the world, including God himself, know when to put their foot through the ball. Konsas had a great season but he’s not perfect and it was his mistake that led to the goal. I think blaming Mings is overly harsh and a case of over analysis

[The Edge]

Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?

[RamboandBruno]

Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?

I’ve just watched that and thought exactly the same. We’ve had a bang average couple of months, but sometimes feels like we’ve had a disastrous season by some of the comments. We played quite well tonight

[not3bad]

70 per cent possession and 24 shots, eleven on goal, yet we were jammy and fortunate?

With KD scoring and Wesley back we now have an actual forward line with options. Reasons to be cheerful.

[OzVilla]

Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?

That because some people have preconceived views before the game and just look for areas to enhance them.

[tomd2103]

Thought that we were better today in spells than we have been for weeks.  We played some decent stuff tonight, even if it was intespersed with some poor play.  We all know that without Jack Grealish and with Barkley contributing very little, we haven't got much quality in the final third and it is frustrating to watch promising moves constantly break down because of sloppy play.

The midfield remains an increasing area of concern for me, but I thought Jacob Ramsey's performance when he came on was very encouraging.  Seemed to be playing a bit deeper, but got on the ball, was positive with his passing and gave us some much needed energy.  Pleased for KD that he got his goal and hope he can kick on.

[tomd2103]

Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?

Not sure how anyone could describe John McGinn's performance tonight as "magnificent" to be totally honest.  Was his usual busy self, but gave the ball away a few too many times and had a few pretty weak efforts on goal.  Would say a 6/10 kind of performance from him tonight.

[BC Villain]

Delighted for Davis,  but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays.  It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.

Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.

If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure

We really wasn't that bad.

Yes  there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch

I don't get harking back to comparisons with Bruce. That was the Championship and the parameters were very different.
However, to say we're were dire then is a bit of a nonsense.

I went to nearly all the games in 2017-18, and admittedly we stumbled at the end, but by and large we played ok and scored freely.

I agree.  The best example being the 4 - 1 against the dog heads - who were flying at the time.

[SoccerHQ]

Some of the descriptions of tonight's game have been very harsh. I just watched the highlights on motd. They described the game as "brilliant" and "great entertainment" John McGinn has also been slated on here yet he was described as "magnificent" on motd. Isn't it crazy how we can watch a game of football and have opinions on it that are so wildly opposing?

Wouldn't go as far as magnificent for McGinn given his passing completion but I actually agree, it was a decent watch for a neutral and reminded me of plenty of championship games which most of us enjoyed, end to end with lots of chances and dodgy defending.

[PaulWinch again]

Loved Ollie’s header for Keinan’s goal too. Many strikers at that stage of the game would have gone for goal themselves. He was cool enough to realise the best opportunity to score was to put it back across goal. That’s good to see.

[Brazilian Villain]

We were wank and got a lucky point.

To be fair you were around for our glory era so your standards are higher.

My uncle watched it and said we played well second half and he normally moans even when we win so we can't have been that bad.

[Toronto Villa]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.

Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.

I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.

There was no need for Konsa to take the ball down as he did, the best defenders in the world, including God himself, know when to put their foot through the ball. Konsas had a great season but he’s not perfect and it was his mistake that led to the goal. I think blaming Mings is overly harsh and a case of over analysis

Konsa took the ball down just fine. He didn’t know he was then going to slip. Had he not slipped he’d have effortlessly glided past those two Albion players like Baresi. And what if he slipped trying to put his foot through it and it led to the goal?

[SoccerHQ]

Thought the general performance was much better than Fulham when we were truly dire for 75 minutes before the late rally.

Today we were poor the 10 minutes either side of half time but better team either side of that.

West Brom also mid table in form guide for last 8 games and above us so that needs to be taken into context.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm glad I don't work for some of you, because if you think that was a half-arsed performance, I could make your life look like 365 Halloweens every year.