Aston Villa 2-2 Always bitter Sam’s Bitters post match thread

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

You blame Mings for trying to block the shot and, it then, deflecting into the net?? I’m sure if he realised it was heading wide he would have left it.

[brontebilly]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

The fault was entirely at the feet of the usually imperious Konsa, possibly his only serious error all season.

[exiled on the wirral!]

If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25

For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.

Careful. From there 'tis but a small step to wanting to see all the local sides do well.

Only Walsall. I don't mind them.

Trust me..they enjoyed our demise like the rest of them. My family is full of them. Fuck em!

[Skerra]

I’m not advocating that we go 4-4-2 for the long term. Given the fit players we have just now, I’d rather start with two up front to ease some of the work load that Ollie has had to do for long periods. Ultimately, I would love to have 2 flying wingers that can actually go outside of the opposing full backs but, neither Traore or El Ghazi fit the bill just now.

[The Edge]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.

[RichardBatchelor]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.

Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.

[Toronto Villa]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

Joleon Lescott can go fuck himself. One of the most inept footballers in any position to wear our colours. He’s not fit to lace Mings’ boots. Shit footballer, shit pundit.

[brontebilly]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.

Konsa's slip, ill timed as it was, was still a fair old distance out. Elmo was caught a bit of his heels too. But Mings simply had to go to Diagne a lot quicker for me. If he pushed out the forward behind him would have been offside and I wouldn't have fancied Diagne to make the pass either way. I'm not sure where our holding midfielder was gone either...awol like he was most of the game I presume

[Smithy]

It's interesting reading through the comments on here, I haven't seen a game polarise opinion as much in a while, maybe it's the derby effect?

I thought we did OK.  We should be beating teams like these, obviously - and comfortably - but it's not like we didn't create anything.  I thought we were clearly the better side - they had a few moments, but that's all they were, and they needed our mistakes to score (as did we, to be fair). 

However, with 70% of the ball, and almost a dozen shots on target will win us more games than we lose.  Keinan and Traore hitting the woodwork and Ollie's 1-on-1 could have made it comfortable.    We created far less against Fulham.

Absolutely delighted for Keinan - I don't think he's ever going to be a top-4 20-a-season striker, and we'll no doubt replace him with better at some point in the next couple of years, but he's definitely better than his stats indicate. He could have had a 10-minute hat-trick and showed good striker's instincts in his cameo.  If Wesley is back to normal by pre-season, I'd like to see him go on loan and get himself regular games and goals and see what he can do with a run - he's never going to get that here, barring a massive injury crisis.

[Pete3206]

Konsa's error? He slipped on the grass.

[Toronto Villa]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

He was far too slow to come towards the forward to start with. Both Cole and Lescott said the same post game.

Yes I saw them point that out but if he had closed down the forward he'd of left 2 other players wide open and a simple pass to either would just took him out. A rare unfortunate slip from Konsa left Mings in an impossible position. He tried his best but didn't get a break. Several similar deflections at the other end went harmlessly wide. Those are the breaks sometimes but I think it's wrong to call it a mistake by Mings.

Konsa's slip, ill timed as it was, was still a fair old distance out. Elmo was caught a bit of his heels too. But Mings simply had to go to Diagne a lot quicker for me. If he pushed out the forward behind him would have been offside and I wouldn't have fancied Diagne to make the pass either way. I'm not sure where our holding midfielder was gone either...awol like he was most of the game I presume

You make it sound so easy as he is presented essentially with a three on one. Had he gone for the first man and committed they had two in behind for an open shot on goal. He did what was right and it was an unfortunate outcome.

[luke:lamf]

I agree with German James basic point that Mings is a liability, and if a decent, experienced CB to go alongside Konsa can be found I'd make that a priority. Martinez' impact has shown just how important it is to have a rock-solid GK, and the same is necessary at CB (imagining Konsa as the Ferdinand/Carvalho to Mings' Vidic/Terry, a better Vidic/Terry CB is needed).

I'd have Davis start every match in a 2 up front with Watkins - 6 games left in the season, try something new and let him sink or swim. If Grealish isn't coming back this season then more presence is needed up front because AEG, Trez and Traoré are all *bang* average, and Barkley seems to have lost any ability to make a correct decision.

I'd also use the 6 games to give Ramsey a lot more playing time. I've been impressed every time I've seen him, and it would be exciting to think that in a couple of years he could be an "experienced" 21-year-old PL midfielder helping Chukwuemeka into a homegrown midfield, with Barry coming along up front as well.

[German James]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.

Totally agree. Mings is entirely blameless. He throws himself instinctively at the ball as defenders should. Just unlucky. Konsa’s error - and as for that, anyone, even your Cannavaros and your McGraths, can slip. Just one of those things.

I disagree. Mings starts off in no-man's land, then he dithers, then he runs towards the goal instead of the attacker, then he's 6 yards out, at full stretch trying to deflect a ball with the underside of his of his boot. Konsa slipped, that really is just one of those things, as you say.

[Toronto Villa]

No mans land? He didn’t expect his partner to slip there. How do think he can react in a split second while running backwards. Good grief