Aston Villa 2-2 Always bitter Sam’s Bitters post match thread

[Toronto Villa]

Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.

I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.

[Legion]

If anyone fancies a sense of perspective, this is what our flared-trousered, Hi-Tec trainers-wearing cousins are saying about it:
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=25740.25

For once I've read through the view from the opposition. Thought it was pretty reasonable.

Careful. From there 'tis but a small step to wanting to see all the local sides do well.

Only Walsall. I don't mind them.

[Ian.]

I enjoyed the game, thought overall we played ok. Our shape still isn’t right at times and we do lack the quality we showed in the first half of the season. They had a few spells and also had good chances but we really did dominate the game.

[Steve67]

I don't think i've ever seen two such soft penalties in all my life. 

[rougegorge]

Delighted for Davis,  but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays.  It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.

Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.

If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure

We really wasn't that bad.

Yes  there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch

I don't get harking back to comparisons with Bruce. That was the Championship and the parameters were very different.
However, to say we're were dire then is a bit of a nonsense.

I went to nearly all the games in 2017-18, and admittedly we stumbled at the end, but by and large we played ok and scored freely.

[German James]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

[paul_e]

Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.

I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.

He was pretty unlucky with the turn and tame shot as well, that was the effort of a guy trying to hard and losing his composure but the movement and touch to create the opening was top drawer.

[PaulWinch again]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

[Toronto Villa]

Watching the KD goal again it really is excellent work by him to follow the ball in from Watkins, pressure the CB and anticipate where it would go to knock it home knowing if the keeper came out he might get hurt.

I know forwards are meant to have that ability but it’s nice to see a player we haven’t associated with that predatory instinct to show it. And it followed him hitting the post moments prior which could have deflated him a little. But he kept being aggressive and got what he deserved.

He was pretty unlucky with the turn and tame shot as well, that was the effort of a guy trying to hard and losing his composure but the movement and touch to create the opening was top drawer.

He may be one of those people/players that needs that bit of luck or just something to go right to give him belief and confidence in himself and his abilities. It has to have been weighing on him that he’s rarely scored for us and until today never at PL level. So I really hope the manager recognizes it and gives him his opportunity at Everton.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Only saw last 5 of 1st half and the whole of the 2nd half due to connection issues. Glad of Davis's goal and the re-appearance of Wesley after an horrendous injury. I can put up with losing to sheff utd, but tonight against a sh-te stripey filth side I came to the conclusion that McGinn, Luiz, El Ghazi and Traore are not good enough. Barkley is going and not our problem. The 4 players mentioned have no zip, creativity or penetration. They move the ball too slowly. They provide no leadership and support for Ollie. They were all poor. An upgrade on these 4 players will be needed for us to progress. Konsa's 2 mistakes made it difficult for us (Elmo provided no cover for their 2nd goal, Mings was hesitant I thought). The only good thing about tonight is that last minute goal has effectively relegated the bitters. Cheerio stripey filth! Well done Davis set up by a determined assist by Ollie.
Subs too late by Dean to get the win unfortunately.

[Legion]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Huh?

Yes. He was trying to intercept the shot and clear it but unfortunately it went wrong. Hardly a mistake.

[Toronto Villa]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

What exactly were you watching? Konsa takes the ball down then slipped. Mings was then left exposed with two players in front (Diagne and Pereira) and one breaking behind him. He did his best to block the shot and it went in.

[brontebilly]

I blame Mings entirely for their second goal. For all his good work, he seems to have a stupid, more or less costly mistake in him every game. Or at least often enough for it not to be a coincidence. Why? Is it just concentration? Trying to do too much? Can something like that be trained out of him?

Nope to the last question, these errors of judgement are part and parcel of his game. I think the big lump up front rattled him a bit and errors tend to come from him as a result. Once again, his horrible lack of balance was to the fore for the goal. Attacking that ball with his left foot and it was only going one place. Attack it with his right foot and if it caught his instep it might go out for a corner. But he avoids his right side like the plague and its why he won't ever be a top defender.

[exiled on the wirral!]

Delighted for Davis,  but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays.  It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.

Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.

If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure

We really wasn't that bad.

Didn't say worse.  I said as bad as.

It wasn't though, was it? Bruce was dishing out his slop in the division below.

True.  But Bruce hadn't spent the amount of cash Smith’s been given

There's an entire recruitment department that'll tell you Smith doesn't spend the cash.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[BC Villain]

Delighted for Davis,  but it's getting harder to defend these dreadful displays.  It's as bad as anything served up by Bruce during his tenure.

Desn Smith may not necessarily get the sack, but NSWE need to give him and Purslow a severe talking to in the Summer.

If you think we are worse now than when Bruce was in charge you obviously didn't go in Bruce's tenure

We really wasn't that bad.

Yes  there are some ridiculous posts on here and this is clearly one of them. Some people need to re-run some of Bruce’s matches when even winning was dire to watch

But we know Smith’s teams are capable of so much better than this.  Missing 1 player shouldn't derail a team as badly as what we're seeing at the moment.  The owners will have every right to be asking some hard questions.