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Author Topic: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.  (Read 619308 times)

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10020 on: September 16, 2021, 09:37:01 AM »
We'll see, I suppose. Hopefully I'm wrong and the ludicrous three centre halves to (fail to) stop one forward policy was a one off.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10021 on: September 16, 2021, 09:39:17 AM »
We'll see, I suppose. Hopefully I'm wrong and the ludicrous three centre halves to (fail to) stop one forward policy was a one off.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong but we've played five games so far and Tuenzebe has started two, one of which was against Barrow. That's hardly trying to please Man Utd.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10022 on: September 16, 2021, 09:48:01 AM »
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10023 on: September 16, 2021, 09:56:39 AM »
Who knows why he did it? Maybe with Buendia not being available and Tarore and Bailey not fully match fit, he wanted to try something different with Watkins being available again. Either way, bringing Man Utd into it was a bit silly.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10024 on: September 16, 2021, 10:02:21 AM »
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.
I'm no fan of three at the back but I thought it had been widely commented that but for individual errors at both ends of the field that was our best performance of the season.  We had 18 shots on goal.  Away at Chelsea.  So the the ludicrous three centre halves must have really stifled our attacking display then?

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10025 on: September 16, 2021, 10:07:21 AM »
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.
I'm no fan of three at the back but I thought it had been widely commented that but for individual errors at both ends of the field that was our best performance of the season.  We had 18 shots on goal.  Away at Chelsea.  So the the ludicrous three centre halves must have really stifled our attacking display then?

Other than the first couple of minutes where they forced a few corners and the goal, I don't remember them creating much in the first half. We were sti in the game up until Ming's back pass.

I'm not a massive fan of five at the back either but with the right players, it can work if we were to play it now and again.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10026 on: September 16, 2021, 10:07:38 AM »
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.

Wasn't Monty's excellent analysis of our gameplan a crumb of comfort that the horrible 5-3-2/3-5/2 actually had merit?

I'm uncomfortable about the "he must play" clauses in loan deals if they do exist. Whether it's Barry or Tuanzebe, if they don't deserve to be starting for whatever reason, they shouldn't be. Like fat Ross Berkly.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10027 on: September 16, 2021, 10:08:21 AM »
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10028 on: September 16, 2021, 10:13:20 AM »
I disagree with Monty's analysis. He sees the three centre halves as part of some fluid force that can turn defence into attack at any point. That might work if you have a 90s Ruud Gullit as one of them. Our centre halves are purely centre halves. Nothing wrong with that, but it means that when they're not defending properly (and they didn't, they conceded three), they contribute nothing outside of set pieces.

The other argument is that it allows full backs to get forwards more. Our full backs already did that just fine last season. Playing as part of four at the back.

Five at the back is horrendous. A waste of attacking talent and opportunity.
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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10029 on: September 16, 2021, 10:14:10 AM »
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10030 on: September 16, 2021, 10:26:36 AM »
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...

So you've just ignored every point I made then?

"Best performance", scored nil, conceded three. To a team playing one up front.

We are getting into Small Heath territory in searching for a moral victory, here.

I suppose it is five goals better than the last time we tried that moronic formation at Chelsea, to be fair.
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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10031 on: September 16, 2021, 10:37:37 AM »
Someone refresh my memory, when did the position of sweeper disappear?

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10032 on: September 16, 2021, 10:38:40 AM »
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...

So you've just ignored every point I made then?

"Best performance", scored nil, conceded three. To a team playing one up front.

We are getting into Small Heath territory in searching for a moral victory, here.

I suppose it is five goals better than the last time we tried that moronic formation at Chelsea, to be fair.

I don't think anyone is ignoring your posts, they just have an alternative view.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10033 on: September 16, 2021, 10:40:50 AM »
He made a sarcastic post saying I had nothing positive to say, when I had already said the midfield did well, so he was clearly ignoring or being selective.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #10034 on: September 16, 2021, 10:45:02 AM »
Someone refresh my memory, when did the position of sweeper disappear?


It died alongside the backpass.

 


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