Aston Villa 0 Spuds 2 Post Match Thread

[eamonn]

Neither is Trez. Let's mix it up, we're safe in midtable.

[aj2k77]

I think he gets slagged off because he is a ''forward'' who hasn't scored a league goal for 3 and a half years and 2 in 58. The mother of all Heskeys.

Vast majority of those are 5-10 minute substitute appearances. He shows glimpses that make me reluctant to just write him off which is why giving him a run of games to the end of the season makes sense to me.

We’ve not been in this mid-table position for a fair while and given the club have given him a contract to 2024, Smith should give him a chance.

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

Having said that I'm all for trying him up front with Jack and Watkins playing off him. Anything to break the cycle of fucking Trezeguet/El Ghazi/Traore.

[ChicagoLion]

I think he gets slagged off because he is a ''forward'' who hasn't scored a league goal for 3 and a half years and 2 in 58. The mother of all Heskeys.

Vast majority of those are 5-10 minute substitute appearances. He shows glimpses that make me reluctant to just write him off which is why giving him a run of games to the end of the season makes sense to me.

We’ve not been in this mid-table position for a fair while and given the club have given him a contract to 2024, Smith should give him a chance.

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

Having said that I'm all for trying him up front with Jack and Watkins playing off him. Anything to break the cycle of fucking Trezeguet/El Ghazi/Traore.

Too right

[ktvillan]

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

It'd be interesting to know how many equivalent games all his minutes over that period amount to.  It wouldn't surprise me if it's 10 or less.  Plenty of forwards go on scoreless runs of 10 or so games even when playing all the time so they are "up to speed". Ollie had a lengthy non-scoring spell this season. I still think he's never been given a proper chance to prove himself and there's no better opportunity to correct that than now.

[LeeB]

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

It'd be interesting to know how many equivalent games all his minutes over that period amount to.  It wouldn't surprise me if it's 10 or less.  Plenty of forwards go on scoreless runs of 10 or so games even when playing all the time so they are "up to speed". Ollie had a lengthy non-scoring spell this season. I still think he's never been given a proper chance to prove himself and there's no better opportunity to correct that than now.

I thought last year when he started the League Cup game against Wolves he was close to getting a run, Wes had been struggling and he'd looked good whenever he'd come on, but then he picked up an injury again. I think that's been half the problem, getting injured at the wrong times, he's been unlucky in that sense.

[aj2k77]

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

It'd be interesting to know how many equivalent games all his minutes over that period amount to.  It wouldn't surprise me if it's 10 or less.  Plenty of forwards go on scoreless runs of 10 or so games even when playing all the time so they are "up to speed". Ollie had a lengthy non-scoring spell this season. I still think he's never been given a proper chance to prove himself and there's no better opportunity to correct that than now.

He's played 2212 minutes for us in league games. The equivalent of 24 1/2 games.

[RamboandBruno]

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

It'd be interesting to know how many equivalent games all his minutes over that period amount to.  It wouldn't surprise me if it's 10 or less.  Plenty of forwards go on scoreless runs of 10 or so games even when playing all the time so they are "up to speed". Ollie had a lengthy non-scoring spell this season. I still think he's never been given a proper chance to prove himself and there's no better opportunity to correct that than now.

He's played 2212 minutes for us in league games. The equivalent of 24 1/2 games.

Plenty of better players have relatively similar poor records, Werner at Chelsea, must be close?
I don’t think Davis is the answer for next season or long term, but last year all the pressure was on him to lead the line to help keep us up. If Smith puts him in now with Grealish on one side and Watkins on the other, he’s surrounded with quality and no real pressure in terms of us being mid table.
As hard as he works, I can’t bear the idea of watching Trez flap around again this season, running down blind alleys then giving away a foul.

[Smithy]

He still hasn't scored for 3 and a half years in the league. Whatever spin you put on it, that's an abysmal record.

It'd be interesting to know how many equivalent games all his minutes over that period amount to.  It wouldn't surprise me if it's 10 or less.  Plenty of forwards go on scoreless runs of 10 or so games even when playing all the time so they are "up to speed". Ollie had a lengthy non-scoring spell this season. I still think he's never been given a proper chance to prove himself and there's no better opportunity to correct that than now.

He's played 2212 minutes for us in league games. The equivalent of 24 1/2 games.

I'm not saying Keinan is ever going to be a regular first-team player for us, I've not seen enough to have any confidence he will, but that 24-and-a-half games stat is a bit misleading.  He played a LOT in the first half of the 2017/18 season before we signed Grabban in the January. I'd bet well over half of those minutes were in that period alone.  When he was only 19. 

Take the first half of the 2017/18 season out of the equation, and I'd be surprised if his minutes came to more than a dozen games in the last three years.  Probably less than half a dozen games in the premier league with the majority of his appearances being less than 10 mins.

To see if he's ever going to cut it at a high level, he absolutely needs to go out on loan and play. He needs 10-15 games on the bounce, lets see him with some match fitness and regular starts - then let's see how he gets on.  I'd love that to be in the Championship where I think he'd do a good job for someone.

I believe he signed a new contract last season, so he's here for a while, so let's try and develop him, and worst case get a couple of million from a Championship side.

[dave.woodhall]

The reason he's never gone on loan is very likely to do with the fact that we've never had enough cover up front. He's probably spent most of his time here as no lower than third choice.

[Drummond]

The reason he's never gone on loan is very likely to do with the fact that we've never had enough cover up front. He's probably spent most of his time here as no lower than third choice.

I guess the issue is that he is firmly third choice as well.

I'd like him to get a run now, with no fans in the ground to get on his back if it doesn't go his way, and we'll have a far better idea if he can do it or not. He deserves a chance.

[JuanMartinez]

Sorry but fans or no fans KD will never be PL ability.

If we are going to experiment I would sooner see Louie Barry get game time or if Wes is fit enough.

[LeeB]

If you told me the sky was blue I'd go outside and check.

Give him a run, he'll take the weight off Ollie's shoulders and allow to focus more on getting behind again.

[JuanMartinez]

Ollie has been called up for England and has zero pressure on him in the remaining games, I’m positive as I am the sky can also be grey, that Ollie wants no rest.

I would sooner Stick Mings up top than KD, he’s a better finisher.

[ktvillan]

Agree with Smithy, he needs a good run of 10-15 games minimum either with us or on loan before anyone can really say he's going to cut it or not.

To write him of on the basis of bit parts in fits and starts over a 3-4 year period is premature, even if it does amount to the equivalent of 24 games.  It's still not much to go on, and it was mostly in small chunks of 10-15 minutes where any striker would struggle to influence a game, let alone score.  Championship level might be the best place for that but since he's here and he's basically current second choice striker, and we've not much to lose, I don't see why he couldn't be given a run with Ollie going a bit wider or playing off him.         

[JuanMartinez]

As soon as Wes is match fit it’s ta ta Keinan.