Boxing 2021

[Risso]

The only heavyweight i think from the 90s era that would have stood a chance against fury is lennox lewis. I dont think Tyson would have beaten fury.you saw what happened with tyson when holyfield was dominating him

Would have loved to have seen a lewis on his peak with fury on his peak

Tyson wasn't at his peak when fighting Holyfield though, he was 30 and had been inside for four years. Peak Mike Tyson around 1985/6 when he was smashing everybody out of sight within five rounds.

[Rory]

The only heavyweight i think from the 90s era that would have stood a chance against fury is lennox lewis. I dont think Tyson would have beaten fury.you saw what happened with tyson when holyfield was dominating him

Would have loved to have seen a lewis on his peak with fury on his peak

It's an interesting question because I think Fury has a similar aura to Tyson in the '80s. There's an 'othering' involved, a sense of pathology or darkness, like 'this guy isn't human' or 'this guy is off his rocker'.

As was said of Mike Tyson in his prime, fighters were beaten before they got in the ring, because his opponents were so often unsettled or pure scared of the phenomenon that Mike became - the 'baddest man on the planet'.

Tyson Fury is different, of course, there's more levity, but I do think there is a 'he's fucking nuts' unpredictability to Fury that can unnerve or distract opponents. Most notably with Klitschko, who really let Fury get under his skin.

[Gary Penrice]

Well this isn't a bad fight so far.

Can I ask where you get your boxing news from, Dave? I feel guilty talking about the sport with you and a few other posters who are clearly real boxing fans, but I'm one of the products of what is wrong with the sport. While millions will watch Mayweather fight a squid, I always enjoy a good competitive bout, but I only follow what I hear about, which inevitably is the 5 or 6 big box office fights per year that Sky and BBC dedicate their time to.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/

Won't go far wrong with this mate.

[luke:lamf]

Just seen the final round, an absolute cinematic knockout - swinging right hook connecting flush to the temple and Wilder falling like a oak, completely done.

I'm disappointed Joshua has come undone, I really like his easy-going manner and general air of decency and it would have been great to have a HW unification fight between two Brits, in the UK. But I guess easy-going doesn't get/keep you at the top in boxing for long.

[Rory]

Well this isn't a bad fight so far.

Can I ask where you get your boxing news from, Dave? I feel guilty talking about the sport with you and a few other posters who are clearly real boxing fans, but I'm one of the products of what is wrong with the sport. While millions will watch Mayweather fight a squid, I always enjoy a good competitive bout, but I only follow what I hear about, which inevitably is the 5 or 6 big box office fights per year that Sky and BBC dedicate their time to.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/

Won't go far wrong with this mate.

Thanks mate!

[dave.woodhall]

Well this isn't a bad fight so far.

Can I ask where you get your boxing news from, Dave? I feel guilty talking about the sport with you and a few other posters who are clearly real boxing fans, but I'm one of the products of what is wrong with the sport. While millions will watch Mayweather fight a squid, I always enjoy a good competitive bout, but I only follow what I hear about, which inevitably is the 5 or 6 big box office fights per year that Sky and BBC dedicate their time to.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/

Won't go far wrong with this mate.

Thanks mate!

And read the paper version if you get the chance.

[Rory]

Just seen the final round, an absolute cinematic knockout - swinging right hook connecting flush to the temple and Wilder falling like a oak, completely done.

I'm disappointed Joshua has come undone, I really like his easy-going manner and general air of decency and it would have been great to have a HW unification fight between two Brits, in the UK. But I guess easy-going doesn't get/keep you at the top in boxing for long.

AJ has the beating of Usyk if he fights the right fight. Either way, I think Fury and AJ will fight. There's too much interest and too much money for it not to happen.

AJ will have his rematch with Usyk, and with those two already committed, I would imagine Fury will fight Whyte because he's the mandatory and the most credible opponent available.

It's dangerous to assume, but I cannot see any way that Whyte beats Fury. It then likely comes down to AJ/Usyk.

If AJ wins, Fury fights him in a unification bout.

If Usyk wins, and assuming Fury beats Whyte, he then decides to either: fight Usyk and unify the division, or vacate the WBC and fight Joshua with no belts on the line.

If he chooses the latter, he fights AJ next. If he chooses the former, and beats Usyk (I think he would) he fights AJ next.

If Fury was going to come unstuck, I think it would've been last night. The first Wilder fight he was a huge underdog, the second fight he had the motivation of knowing he probably should've won the first on points. But waiting 18 months to fight a guy you knocked out in your last fight, that would inevitably lead to frustration, complacency and a temptation to get ahead of himself and look at future fights. But he still won, conclusively, and I can't see any way back for Wilder until Fury loses, retires, or vacates a belt.

The most lucrative fight out there for Fury is AJ, and I think that's the one he'll try to make happen.

If AJ beats Usyk, and Fury beats Whyte, we'll have that all-English heavyweight unification bout. And, with AJ pushing for Wembley and Fury pushing for Old Trafford, they'll split the difference and it'll be held at Villa Park. You heard it here first 😉

[Rory]

Does anybody know where to find decent highlights from last night?

[tomd2103]

The only heavyweight i think from the 90s era that would have stood a chance against fury is lennox lewis. I dont think Tyson would have beaten fury.you saw what happened with tyson when holyfield was dominating him

Would have loved to have seen a lewis on his peak with fury on his peak

It's an interesting question because I think Fury has a similar aura to Tyson in the '80s. There's an 'othering' involved, a sense of pathology or darkness, like 'this guy isn't human' or 'this guy is off his rocker'.

As was said of Mike Tyson in his prime, fighters were beaten before they got in the ring, because his opponents were so often unsettled or pure scared of the phenomenon that Mike became - the 'baddest man on the planet'.

Tyson Fury is different, of course, there's more levity, but I do think there is a 'he's fucking nuts' unpredictability to Fury that can unnerve or distract opponents. Most notably with Klitschko, who really let Fury get under his skin.

The sheer size of Tyson Fury is a major thing for any opponent to deal with.  Having a 6'9", nearly 20 stone man leaning on you and grappling with you (let alone punching you at every opportunity) must be exhausting and Wilder looked very tired not too long into both of the last two fights.

[Rory]

The only heavyweight i think from the 90s era that would have stood a chance against fury is lennox lewis. I dont think Tyson would have beaten fury.you saw what happened with tyson when holyfield was dominating him

Would have loved to have seen a lewis on his peak with fury on his peak

It's an interesting question because I think Fury has a similar aura to Tyson in the '80s. There's an 'othering' involved, a sense of pathology or darkness, like 'this guy isn't human' or 'this guy is off his rocker'.

As was said of Mike Tyson in his prime, fighters were beaten before they got in the ring, because his opponents were so often unsettled or pure scared of the phenomenon that Mike became - the 'baddest man on the planet'.

Tyson Fury is different, of course, there's more levity, but I do think there is a 'he's fucking nuts' unpredictability to Fury that can unnerve or distract opponents. Most notably with Klitschko, who really let Fury get under his skin.

The sheer size of Tyson Fury is a major thing for any opponent to deal with.  Having a 6'9", nearly 20 stone man leaning on you and grappling with you (let alone punching you at every opportunity) must be exhausting and Wilder looked very tired not too long into both of the last two fights.

Definitely. He's a giant of a man.

[Demitri_C]

The only heavyweight i think from the 90s era that would have stood a chance against fury is lennox lewis. I dont think Tyson would have beaten fury.you saw what happened with tyson when holyfield was dominating him

Would have loved to have seen a lewis on his peak with fury on his peak

Tyson wasn't at his peak when fighting Holyfield though, he was 30 and had been inside for four years. Peak Mike Tyson around 1985/6 when he was smashing everybody out of sight within five rounds.

Yea the tyson in his prime before the rape allegations came out i think would have been a epic fight. The speed moght have given fury some problems so would have been epic to watch.

I still legitimately think lewis is the only heavyweight from that era that could worry fury.

[dave.woodhall]

At his peak Tyson destroyed fighters like no other boxer I can recall, although even then there were signs that if you didn't go down he struggled for ideas. The way Bonecrusher Smith went the distance with little worry showed his limitations. His greatest asset was his finishing power. There have been bigger hitters, but few who could land so many devastating punches so quickly which is why I think he'd have taken out Fury. 

[Gary Penrice]

Tonight's 2 main fights are interesting.....I see Liam Smith having too much for Fowler & I'm backing a stoppage win between rounds 7 & 9.

Over in Vegas this one's intriguing......I think Wilder will come out all gun's blazing but I'm going for a Fury win on points or a late stoppage....rounds 10 to 12. 

The next couple of weeks alcohol consumption will be courtesy of William Hill 

[Risso]

Nicely done.

[Risso]

At his peak Tyson destroyed fighters like no other boxer I can recall, although even then there were signs that if you didn't go down he struggled for ideas. The way Bonecrusher Smith went the distance with little worry showed his limitations. His greatest asset was his finishing power. There have been bigger hitters, but few who could land so many devastating punches so quickly which is why I think he'd have taken out Fury. 

Smith just held on for the entire fight if I remember it correctly.