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Author Topic: Rank the players - season so far  (Read 3232 times)

Offline nigel

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2021, 05:00:30 PM »
For me Jack wouldnít make my top 5 because I know heís brilliant.
 Heís our best player this season as he was the two previous seasons.
So Iíve looked at it slightly different
My top 5

1 Martinez
2 Konsa
3 Targett
4 Cash
5 Watkins


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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2021, 05:31:27 PM »
With the goals he's scored, Traore should be higher than 13th, surely.
Risso's top 5 is fair and Mings has been very disappointing.

I donít think thatís fair at all. I think heís had a very good season overall. Unfortunately he has some clangers in there that takes the focus away from a lot of the really good work that he does.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2021, 06:12:18 PM »
With the goals he's scored, Traore should be higher than 13th, surely.
Risso's top 5 is fair and Mings has been very disappointing.

I donít think thatís fair at all. I think heís had a very good season overall. Unfortunately he has some clangers in there that takes the focus away from a lot of the really good work that he does.

Exactly. We've got clean sheets in over half our matches and Mings has played in every one of them. Sometimes I think a piece of criticism seems to pick up its own momentum and distort the reality, he hasn't been really disappointing at all. If as the 'leader' of our defence has been so poor, then there's no way we'd have the 3rd best defensive record in the trademarked best league in the world.

He was great last night, like a magnet to Barcode crosses in the first half and there were a couple of moments where he played safe by sticking the ball in the stands or going back to Martinez which shows he's learning. He's made a few errors this season but most players make mistakes. The back five are working together as a unit and Mings deserves his share of the credit.
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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2021, 06:35:56 PM »
With the goals he's scored, Traore should be higher than 13th, surely.
Risso's top 5 is fair and Mings has been very disappointing.
I donít think thatís fair at all. I think heís had a very good season overall. Unfortunately he has some clangers in there that takes the focus away from a lot of the really good work that he does.
Exactly. We've got clean sheets in over half our matches and Mings has played in every one of them. Sometimes I think a piece of criticism seems to pick up its own momentum and distort the reality, he hasn't been really disappointing at all. If as the 'leader' of our defence, then there's no way we'd have the 3rd best defensive record in the trademarked best league in the world.
He was great last night, like a magnet to Barcode crosses in the first half and there were a couple of moments where he played safe by sticking the ball in the stands or going back to Martinez which shows he's learning. He's made a few errors this season but most players make mistakes. The back five are working together as a unit and Mings deserves his share of the credit.
I take your point. My expression of disappointment comes from high expectations.
You're right to refer to the overall defensive performance, of which Mings has been a big part.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2021, 06:40:44 PM »
I couldnít call it as thereís an argument for each player at different times. The turnaround with some is just incredible and adding a bit of quality to the existing squad had been phenomenal in improving everyone.

One thing though which is, when was the last time we have had two superb full backs? It must be way back when Charles and Wright were playing. One of those positions has been a problem for so many years. Itís been years I reckon when weíve had both positions filled with quality at the same time.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2021, 07:02:54 PM »
Come on why the negative comments on Mingsy? He has a mistake in him but as a percentage of all the cracking blocks, organising and moving the ball forward its miniscule
« Last Edit: January 25, 2021, 08:43:03 AM by stubbsyandy »

Offline nigel

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2021, 08:09:18 PM »
Come on why the negative comments on Mingsy? He has a mistake in him but as a per elf all the cracking blocks, organising and moving the ball forward it miniscule

Agree.
He could prevent a dozen goals a game, but people would go on about the one slip up.
Letís cut him some slack, heís an integral part of our very good defence 👍

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2021, 06:25:50 AM »
Easy! 10

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2021, 08:37:53 AM »
Come on why the negative comments on Mingsy? He has a mistake in him but as a per elf all the cracking blocks, organising and moving the ball forward it miniscule

Agree.
He could prevent a dozen goals a game, but people would go on about the one slip up.
Letís cut him some slack, heís an integral part of our very good defence 👍
It seems to be in the DNA of a section of our support. It's as though there's always got to be a player who gets a lot of undue criticism. It seems to be Mings at the moment. It was Targett earlier this season. I agree that Mings is prone to the occasional error but he's such an all action player who throws himself into things so often mistakes are bound to happen. Overall our defence has been superb this season and have kept NINE clean sheets and only Man City have a better record.. It doesn't make them above criticism but I think they should be cut a bit of slack sometimes.

Edit: stats off the top my head not fact checked.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2021, 08:42:24 AM by The Edge »

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2021, 09:23:18 AM »
The changes I have to Risso's 13 are Ollie goes up to 3rd place instead of Ezri and also have Dougie climbing a place too. Ezri I have at number 5 and have Targett above Cash just for improvement alone. McGinn stays at number 8 with Bertrand climbing above Barkley. The only difference I have to the last 3 is I have Tyrone above Trez.


1 - Jack Grealish
2 - Emiliano Martinez
3 - Ollie Watkins
4 - Douglas Luiz
5 - Ezri Konsa
6 - Matt Targett
7 - Matt Cash
8 - John McGinn
9 - Bertrand Traore
10 - Ross Barkley
11 - Anwar El Ghazi
12 - Tyrone Mings
13 - Trezeguet

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2021, 09:27:48 AM »
Mings is still the most likely one to make a daft error, so having him near the bottom seems fair.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2021, 09:50:59 AM »
Mings is still the most likely one to make a daft error, so having him near the bottom seems fair.

I don't think that's true. Traore especially and El Ghazi often make mistakes to lose the ball, McGinn and Dougie from time to time misplace passes. As a centre back mistakes usually lead to a chance on goal or a goal so have bigger consequences.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2021, 09:53:26 AM »
Mings is still the most likely one to make a daft error, so having him near the bottom seems fair.

I don't think that's true. Traore especially and El Ghazi often make mistakes to lose the ball, McGinn and Dougie from time to time misplace passes. As a centre back mistakes usually lead to a chance on goal or a goal so have bigger consequences.

I think he meant most likely of the defenders.

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2021, 10:16:15 AM »
Too hard

Jack, Martinez, Konsa, Cash and Luiz would be top 5

Targett most improved

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Re: Rank the players - season so far
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2021, 10:26:27 AM »
Not sure about rankings but two things stand out for me - first, the recruitment in the window after promotion was much better that it seemed during the ensuing relegation battle.  We now have at least 5 or 6 very good or excellent players from that window (Targett, Konsa, Luiz, Heaton, Mings)  and couple of others who are doing ok and are good back up (Nakamba, Hause) or for whom the jury is still out (Wesley, Fred). Maybe Pitarch had a raw deal but difficult to say which were his recommendations.

Second we finally seem to have a coaching set up that improves players.
Not sure how much of a difference Shakespeare has made but the improvement in our general play and quite a few individuals seems to have coincided with his arrival.  Targett is the biggest revelation but others have come on leaps and bounds as well. Great to see anyway.

 


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