Johan Lange - appointed

[brontebilly]

Why would any of them want to do that?

Pretty sure all three of them are out of contract in the summer with their respective clubs. Reckon it's kind of similar when Emery took over from Gerrard. They have a number of decent young but under performing players. But they have pissed around with this interim nonsense and now well and truly in it as a result.

They are all out of contract, but why nail their flag to a sinking Spurs ship now? Clubs who will be appointing a new permanent manager in the summer - definitely Spurs, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Bilbao, probably Liverpool and Chelsea, and possibly Newcastle, PSG, Man City, and Atletico.

There are much shinier prizes potentially on offer than the chaos of a Spurs rebuild, even if they stay in the league.

Are they realistically in the mix for any of those other clubs? Spurs in theory anyway have a huge budget and no financial restrictions unlike ourselves or Newcastle. If they had made the change a few months ago it would have been a similar gig to what Emery took over with us. A broken dispirited squad but actually plenty of talent. Keep Spurs up and a new coach/manager likely increases their leverage over summer transfers. Get the focus back on football and not their entertainment complex and they can only improve.

In comparison, West Ham are a shit show even if they stay up. If they stay up this season they will be in trouble again next season. Forest, crazy chairman to blame for where they are in the table.

[LeeB]

Sorry, I didn't articulate that at all well. I mean they don't pay big money (mainly wages) on big players. They spend too much on middle of the road, and if you look at their squad, they should be going all out for game changers. Why not spend big on proven replacements for Kane and Son for example, instead they've bought Solanke, Kudus, Tel, Simons, Johnson and Odobert. Those were huge players for Spurs, replaced on the cheap.

I would say that replacing Kane and Son with that bunch of players isn't replacing them "on the cheap", it's "replacing them poorly". That lot cost the thick end of £300m.

Even then, Kane and Son have been two of the best players in the world for the last ten years, and Spurs aren't in a position to replace them with two more "best players in the world", because anyone who is the equal of those two isn't going to Spurs.

They can't chuck £120m and £300k per week at Newcastle for Isak, or the same at Leverkusen for Wirtz, because they're already off somewhere higher up the food chain.

So there's only so much they can do.

Kane was halfway out the door for what seemed like about three years, you'd have thought they'd have worked a bity harder on his replacement during that period. Solanke, decent player that he is doesn't feel like a 'we've got our man, finally' signing, more a 'shit, we need a new centre forward, who's available?" sort.

Point still stands though. We're in a world where there are about half a dozen game-changing, world-class centre fowards. And they're not going to Spurs. They're not even going to bigger sides than Spurs.

So Spurs need to either punt on someone with potential ("replacing on the cheap") or accepting that they need to find 20 goals from somewhere else in the side.

Oh I'd agree, just thought they might have at least looked at a Duran type, longer term option while Kane was still there. They may have done, and he may have been gash and left for all I know. It's Spurs, who gives a shit?

[Dave]

Why would any of them want to do that?

Pretty sure all three of them are out of contract in the summer with their respective clubs. Reckon it's kind of similar when Emery took over from Gerrard. They have a number of decent young but under performing players. But they have pissed around with this interim nonsense and now well and truly in it as a result.

They are all out of contract, but why nail their flag to a sinking Spurs ship now? Clubs who will be appointing a new permanent manager in the summer - definitely Spurs, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Bilbao, probably Liverpool and Chelsea, and possibly Newcastle, PSG, Man City, and Atletico.

There are much shinier prizes potentially on offer than the chaos of a Spurs rebuild, even if they stay in the league.

Are they realistically in the mix for any of those other clubs? Spurs in theory anyway have a huge budget and no financial restrictions unlike ourselves or Newcastle. If they had made the change a few months ago it would have been a similar gig to what Emery took over with us. A broken dispirited squad but actually plenty of talent. Keep Spurs up and a new coach/manager likely increases their leverage over summer transfers. Get the focus back on football and not their entertainment complex and they can only improve.

Glasner was favourite for the Man Utd job for ages before Carrick came in and started winning matches, and is still second-favourite now. Iraola is the obvious favourite for the Bilbao job.

Ultimately, there are only so many managers to go around - and lots who might be seen as a potential manager of Big Club X have already been there and done it. This time two years ago, nobody would have said that Kompany getting Burnley relegated would mean he'd end up as Bayern manager, but they ended up settling for their fourth / fifth choice.

And if Spurs is really what any of those managers want, it'll probably be waiting for them in the summer with the stress of a relegation battle first.

[Garyth]

We're in a world where there are about half a dozen game-changing, world-class centre fowards. And they're not going to Spurs. They're not even going to bigger sides than Spurs.

hmm. Fun game. Off the top of my head the 'best in the world' (at the beginning of this season) ...

- Haaland
- Kane
- Isak
- Mbappé
- Vinícius
- Dembélé
- Lewandowski

Not a hope of Spurs getting any of those.
- Osimhen?
- Ekitiké?
- Lautaro Martínez?

There's so few stand out center forwards at the moment... Not sure many picked João Pedro or Igor Thiago to have kicked on so well.

[brontebilly]

Kolo Muani on loan had the hint of maybe 10th choice about him once Solanke got injured. Simons is talented but again well down the list when they couldn't get Gibbs-White or Eze done. Under pressure they gave Gallagher a stupid deal to beat us to it.

[LeeB]

Simons felt like the perfect Spurs signing for me, way, way too much for a player that has flattered to deceive since he was hailed as the next great thing at Barca.

[Dave]

We're in a world where there are about half a dozen game-changing, world-class centre fowards. And they're not going to Spurs. They're not even going to bigger sides than Spurs.

hmm. Fun game. Off the top of my head the 'best in the world' (at the beginning of this season) ...

- Haaland
- Kane
- Isak
- Mbappé
- Vinícius
- Dembélé
- Lewandowski

Not a hope of Spurs getting any of those.
- Osimhen?
- Ekitiké?
- Lautaro Martínez?

There's so few stand out center forwards at the moment... Not sure many picked João Pedro or Igor Thiago to have kicked on so well.

I'd probably say Haaland, Kane, Isak, Osimhen, Lautaro Martinez, with Mbappe and Dembele probably stretching the definition of centre-forward (even though they play centrally pretty regularly these days). Alvarez probably more worthy of a place on the list based on what he's achieved than Ekitike.

Lewandowski now on the way down, but still doing a good job at the time Spurs were supposed to be replacing Kane "properly" and obviously wouldn't have gone there then.

I guess the possible answers to who Spurs could have got if they'd chucked £100m and £250k per week at a player instead of £60m and £150k per week  couple of years ago would be plausibly be Alvarez, Osimhen and Martinez.

But it still wouldn't have been a big surprise if any of the above told them where to go.