Newcastle v Aston Villa Post Match Thread

[Brazilian Villain]

Mings is the type of defender beloved by the British media for all the last ditch stuff. Top defenders, McGrath, Ferdinand etc read dangerous situations so they didnt need to be diving in all over the place. Look at how poor he read the situation for our goal, one of maybe three or four at fault, mind.

Thought he was poor for the Saint-Maximin chance. On SHA they thought it was a push by Carroll in the lead up to their goal. Looked like a nudge to me so surprised it wasn't mentioned here.

[Steve67]

We have got better defensively but seem to have lost something with our attacking play.  We missed a couple of good chances tonight but only in the last couple of minutes did we seem to attack aggressively.  These last three games were the ones where we needed, say, 5 points.  The next three games are tough with Wolves in good form, Liverpool and an ever improving Man United.  Our best chance lies with results against Palace, Arsenal and West Ham, by them, it might be too late and we rue what might have been. Needed a win tonight, needed to beat Sheffield United and that now looks like a poor result. We were wank against Chelsea.

[brontebilly]

Well now its just goal difference with the two above us. A Burnley win tomorrow would be very welcome.

The better side let down by a defensive howler. How the fuck you let someone like Gayle drift in like that is beyond me. Whose fault was that? Can Smith and/or Terry be blamed for that?

Have watched a few replays of their goal, its genuinely surreal how bad our defending is.

Targett - despite being ahead of Carroll misses a standard header from the throw in to deal with the first ball
Mings - gets drawn to competing with Carroll on the sideline but neither competes with Carroll nor marks Saint-Maxime, ending up in no mans land near the sideline
Hause - maybe inexperience at RCB coming back to bite but leaves his station to pick up Saint-Maxime without even seeing Gayle get in behind him
Luiz - another one drawn to Carroll on the sideline, lets Gayle run off the back of him while ball watching
Konsa - arguably the least to blame for me, spotted the danger at least just a bit too late.

Again, you would have to wonder about the value of John Terry on the coaching staff or what if anything he brings.

[eamonn]

PWS, do you have the audioboom link for the post-match interview with Smith on BBC WM, presuming there was one ? I've lost the link since I changed phone.

[tomd2103]

Mings is the type of defender beloved by the British media for all the last ditch stuff. Top defenders, McGrath, Ferdinand etc read dangerous situations so they didnt need to be diving in all over the place. Look at how poor he read the situation for our goal, one of maybe three or four at fault, mind.

Thought he was poor for the Saint-Maximin chance. On SHA they thought it was a push by Carroll in the lead up to their goal. Looked like a nudge to me so surprised it wasn't mentioned here.

Would have to disagree with that, as its difficult to defend from a standing start against an oncoming attacker.  Thought he did well to the block in, as he was turned onto his wrong side.

Having had the pleasure of watching two of the best centre halves of their respective generations in McGrath and Terry (although the latter was past his peak), it was their ability to read the game, get to the ball first and then make the right decision more times than not which really singled them out.  Mings does get to the ball first more often that not in all fairness, but then seems to have that moment of hesitation which often gets him into trouble.

[Legion]

Who cares what SHA think? Or grunt.

[myf]

thought it was another garbage performance. how did Trez last 70 minutes? Danny Rose was looking knackered (and overweight) but no one is interested in taking advantage. 

I despair at the delayed substitutions. even fucking Bruce sees how easy it is to bring some energy with a couple of subs (the first 2 creating their goal).

we are an incredibly sloppy side. loose passing. poor concentration. soft and slow midfield. giving stupid fouls away. no cutting edge

[dave.woodhall]

We have got better defensively but seem to have lost something with our attacking play.  We missed a couple of good chances tonight but only in the last couple of minutes did we seem to attack aggressively.  These last three games were the ones where we needed, say, 5 points.  The next three games are tough with Wolves in good form, Liverpool and an ever improving Man United.  Our best chance lies with results against Palace, Arsenal and West Ham, by them, it might be too late and we rue what might have been. Needed a win tonight, needed to beat Sheffield United and that now looks like a poor result. We were wank against Chelsea.

We needed a win against Sheffeld United, and a draw looks like a poor result, yet they lost 3-0 to the team we should have beaten. How does that work?

[PeterWithesShin]

PWS, do you have the audioboom link for the post-match interview with Smith on BBC WM, presuming there was one ? I've lost the link since I changed phone.

They haven't done any with DS since Leicester.

[brontebilly]

Thought Grealish was utterly anonymous in first half. Worth maybe trying in the midfield three after his no show v Chelsea but he hasn't the strength and mobility to play in there and is quite a poor defender. Think he was quoted earlier in the season as saying that's where he wants to play but I'd like to see that knocked on the head now.

He improved second half and to be fair to him after the tactical reshuffle he was by a distance the best player on the pitch. That cross at the end was the best moment of quality in a very average game. Our two centre forwards want shooting for not getting on the end of it. Play him there for all the remaining games with Davis and Samatta ahead of him.

McGinn was hopeless again. As was Trez, AEG not much better. No more wingers please.

[ktvillan]

Mings terrifies me. It's not the fact he's got a rick in him 3-4 times a game (I love the guy, but if he's England quality, then the national side will be miles off competing) but it's how he has to do everything so fucking awkwardly. A player comes past and he opts to dive in. The comfortable way and most logical would be to use your right foot. He stretches out his left. In the first half he managed to get the ball away, in the second half he got done and we thankfully didn't get punished. My worry is that he'll do himself a mischief and be out for months. He's so ungainly and so inefficient in how he uses his body. Can we not get the lummox a ballet teacher or something? Or train him in body positioning? Maybe some Yoga? He's gonna tear his own leg out the fucking socket or obliterate his Achilles or something.

Well he used his left to good effect to make a super block from Joelington in first half, likely saved a goal. Tried same in second half and Saint-Maxime destroyed him, easier to make a tackle with right but Mings is horribly one sided in everything he does. Hourihane has the exact same deficiency. Its like if they have to turn onto their right side they could fall over.

Mings is the type of defender beloved by the British media for all the last ditch stuff. Top defenders, McGrath, Ferdinand etc read dangerous situations so they didnt need to be diving in all over the place. Look at how poor he read the situation for our goal, one of maybe three or four at fault, mind.

Didn't Mings crock himself last season with a similar challenge going in with the wrong leg? It's knee ligament damage waiting to happen.

[Legion]

The play-off final?

[robbo1874]

Least we’re hanging on. We could just scrape through. I thought Brucey would try and turn the screw in this one for a bit of revenge. If he did, it didn’t work and we’re still in it. Some
Easy fixtures coming up too- Liverpool wolves and Utd. I’d bite your hand off for 2 pts from those 3 matches.

[Skerra]

I’m just hoping that DS has learned from the game tonight. We at least seemed more on the ball when we went with the two strikers and Jack just behind those front two and, he looked more like his normal self playing there.

[pauliewalnuts]

I’m just hoping that DS has learned from the game tonight. We at least seemed more on the ball when we went with the two strikers and Jack just behind those front two and, he looked more like his normal self playing there.

His problem is he doesn't learn.

For the best part of ten games before lockdown, we were fucking awful.

Fast forward three months, and we are still awful, but we are still making the same mistakes, and so is he.

He's learned absolutely nothing, and I don't expect he'll take anything from tonight, either.