How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[Zouch Villa]

Great to see our Tyrone speaking out and showing a lot of sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52866678

[chrisw1]

No vaccine, a half cocked contact tracing system and because of this a risk of a massive second spike.

The Government has effectively removed lockdown for political expedience and football is back for political and ££ reasons sending completely the wrong message to young men and women who are itching to play (which will put them and their families at risk). This country.

And roughly 10 times as many deaths per day yesterday as the average European country.

So what is our population and population density compared to the average European Country, as surely without that info the stat is meaningless?

Put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig.

‘The UK had the fourth highest population density (266 people per square kilometre) of the EU countries in 2014, and was most similar to Germany (227 people per sq km).‘

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/ukperspectives2016theukinaeuropeancontext/2016-05-26.

Belgium, Netherlands and Malta all have higher population density than us, but much fewer deaths. As of the 30 May they had a combined 15381 deaths and we had 38161.

Let’s add in the amount of German (the next most densely populated) deaths to the other three countries. It still only gets you to 23,870 deaths. 

The UK has a population of about 67 million, Germany about 83 million.

Your argument doesn’t come close to stacking up.

I didn't make any argument, I just said the stats as quoted were meaningless.

Everybody knows Germany has very low figures.  Comparing us to them whilst ignoring Italy and Spain is cherry picking.

I've never made an argument that the crisis has been handled particularly well, but stating our deaths are 10 x the European average is clearly twisting emotive stats for the sake of it.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

No vaccine, a half cocked contact tracing system and because of this a risk of a massive second spike.

The Government has effectively removed lockdown for political expedience and football is back for political and ££ reasons sending completely the wrong message to young men and women who are itching to play (which will put them and their families at risk). This country.

And roughly 10 times as many deaths per day yesterday as the average European country.

So what is our population and population density compared to the average European Country, as surely without that info the stat is meaningless?

Put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig.

‘The UK had the fourth highest population density (266 people per square kilometre) of the EU countries in 2014, and was most similar to Germany (227 people per sq km).‘

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/ukperspectives2016theukinaeuropeancontext/2016-05-26.

Belgium, Netherlands and Malta all have higher population density than us, but much fewer deaths. As of the 30 May they had a combined 15381 deaths and we had 38161.

Let’s add in the amount of German (the next most densely populated) deaths to the other three countries. It still only gets you to 23,870 deaths. 

The UK has a population of about 67 million, Germany about 83 million.

Your argument doesn’t come close to stacking up.

I didn't make any argument, I just said the stats as quoted were meaningless.

Everybody knows Germany has very low figures.  Comparing us to them whilst ignoring Italy and Spain is cherry picking.

I've never made an argument that the crisis has been handled particularly well, but stating our deaths are 10 x the European average is clearly twisting emotive stats for the sake of it.

You said. ‘So what is our population and population density compared to the average European Country, as surely without that info the stat is meaningless?’

I picked the top 5 most densely populated countries in the EU of which we are number 4 to respond to that point. The point you are making doesn’t stack up.

Not sure if you have been taken in by the Government rhetoric or have misread the stats?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

On a macro level it’s all wrong and if you look at individual deaths and the impact that has on families, then there is no discussion. My sister who is an ITU nurse at the QE shared this yesterday....

‘I had to ration how many family members could attend another patients end of life just this week. The pandemic is not over, and the brazenness of people just not giving a hoot is a slap in the face.’

Is getting football back helping with the messaging that we need to be really really careful to protect each other and the NHS? The answer has to be a resounding NO.

[chrisw1]

What do you mean the point I am making doesn't stack up?  Are you saying our deaths are 10 times the European average per capita?  If they are I would surprised but you would be right.  If they aren't then my point stacks up even before we take account of London alone having a population of 8m

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Sorry I’m not sure what you are getting at, please quote me directly, rather than arguing against points I haven’t made.

You said ‘So what is our population and population density compared to the average European Country, as surely without that info the stat is meaningless?’. I shared with you a link to our population density compared with the other EU countries. We are number 4. I compared our deaths to the top 5, some have a bigger population size, others smaller. What was being said is the opposite of ‘meaningless.’

It’s appalling and it’s still happening.

[chrisw1]

Belgium - death per 100,000 - 82
Spain - 58
UK - 56.3
Italy - 54.7
Netherlands  - death per 100,000 - 34.1

So how does this support the thrust of the initial stat thay UK deaths are 10 x the European average?  We're not doing particulaly well and I've never said we are.  But my point was that without the wider information the stat was meaningless - this hardly seems pariculalry controversial.

Malta has a total population of 493,000 so is not a relevant comparison

[markeeeebeeee2005]

You never offer a source for a statistic, so no idea where you get them from.

This is from a FT article on the 28 May. https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

‘The UK has suffered the second-highest rate of deaths from the
coronavirus pandemic after Spain, according to excess mortality figures.

The UK has registered 59,537 more deaths than usual since the week ending March 20, indicating that the virus has directly or indirectly killed 891 people per million.’

At least we’re not number one, eh?! Let’s get the footy back on.

Off to do some gardening as this is pointless now.

[chrisw1]

What part of what I have said are you struggling to comprehend?  I've not defended our handling of the crisis I've even posted stats per capita which show we're at the higher end of the table - albeit figures will be skewed by population density etc.  But the suggestion we are 10 x worse than the rest of Europe is clearly nonsensical.

[pauliewalnuts]

And roughly 10 times as many deaths per day yesterday as the average European country.

I've never made an argument that the crisis has been handled particularly well, but stating our deaths are 10 x the European average is clearly twisting emotive stats for the sake of it.

But that is not what he said (I have snipped the rest). He's not referring to our deaths over the course of the virus, he's specifically referring to yesterday (or Friday whatever it is now).

He said yesterday we had approx 10 times as many deaths as 'the average European country'.

Here are the figures he was referring to:

Spain       2
Italy         87
Germany 24
France     52
Turkey     28
Belgium   42
Sweden   84
Portugal  14
Ireland      6
Poland     13
Romania  13
Hungary    8

UK 324

Total from the other 12 countries listed there - 373, average of 31.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Also just to be clear, while I am disagreeing with Chris, it was Villan82 who shared the stat. I really will do some gardening now.

[chrisw1]

And roughly 10 times as many deaths per day yesterday as the average European country.

I've never made an argument that the crisis has been handled particularly well, but stating our deaths are 10 x the European average is clearly twisting emotive stats for the sake of it.

But that is not what he said (I have snipped the rest). He's not referring to our deaths over the course of the virus, he's specifically referring to yesterday (or Friday whatever it is now).

He said yesterday we had approx 10 times as many deaths as 'the average European country'.

Here are the figures he was referring to:

Spain       2
Italy         87
Germany 24
France     52
Turkey     28
Belgium   42
Sweden   84
Portugal  14
Ireland      6
Poland     13
Romania  13
Hungary    8

UK 324

Total from the other 12 countries listed there - 373, average of 31.

Thanks Paulie - you make a fair point and yes I did miss that.

 

[brian green]

Mark,  get any watering done your garden needs.  Der Wasserpolizei will be round next week.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Thank goodness I got out there the Fatsia Japonica is wilting in this heat.

[aldridgeboy]

According to Sky, 10 clubs no opposed to relegation. If that can stretch to 14, this has to be good news ?