Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[dave.woodhall]

Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?

Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.

It doesn't make them 'dire' either.

[Lucky Eddie]

Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?

Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.

It doesn't make them 'dire' either.

Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.

[Clampy]

How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?

I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.

But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.

We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.

There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.

Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.

The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.

I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.

So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?

Yep

Hmm, ok.

[dave.woodhall]

Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?

Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.

It doesn't make them 'dire' either.

Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.

They can be compared directly but that's irrelevant. What evidence is there for them being dire except "They just are"?

[saunders_heroes]

How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?

I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.

But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.

We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.

There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.

Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.

The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.

I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.

So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?

Yep

Hmm, ok.

I'm sure that's what was reported at the time.

[Clampy]

Or maybe it was just a good gesture on our part.

[Comrade Blitz]

Supporting the Villa all these years I've come to the conclusion that whatever I expect from them they will do the exact opposite.  Top 10 and a cup beckons.

There's definitely an element of that about this club.

The most enthusiastic visitors to Villa Park year-on-year are clubs who have yet to win on the road.

[Lucky Eddie]

Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?

Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.

It doesn't make them 'dire' either.

Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.

They can be compared directly but that's irrelevant. What evidence is there for them being dire except "They just are"?

The evidence is on the shirts, both the manufacturer and the sponsor.

[Dave Cooper please]

Will I be pretty, will I be rich...

No.

[dave.woodhall]

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

[Chris Smith]

Will I be pretty, will I be rich...

No.

I'm putting on a brave face but I'm crying on the inside.

[Lucky Eddie]

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.

These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.

[LeeB]

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.

These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.

Are you one of those people that thinks there's some sort of prestige tied to being associated with famous labels? I'd prefer it if we just got the best deal we could.

Which we did.

[dave.woodhall]

As I said - they just should.

[Clampy]

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?

As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.

These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.

So you believe we think of money more than who is sponsoring us?