Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[peter w]

ffs
 this is the hardest run ever

[Laughing Gravity]

No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.

A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.

You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.

I have put a mirror up to your faces.

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Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.

(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.

[peter w]

No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.

A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.

You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.

I have put a mirror up to your faces.

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Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.

(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.

Eh? As for your first point...I asked questions regarding VFC possibly having to change tactics as the current one wasn't working. I asked about campaign direction. I asked about a campaign coordinater. I asked whether VFC could see that they had lost support of many Villa fans who initially welcomed them because of a failure to address that maybe, just maybe, their current campaign had run its course. None of these- which are more related to the topic in question- received a reply. Your question was simply a 'My dad is bigger than your dad' type question. Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST. VFC do not have a lot of support on here. Surely they should look at why Villa they are alienating Villa fans. The success of any pressure group is dependent on them having a groundswell of support from those they seek to represent. They haven't got it. Instead of facing up to this, accepting this, learning from this, trying to look inwards and trying to see how they can move VFC forward -and maybe be a real Villa Fans COMBINED- we get you going loopy.


As for the rest of what you are typing. You've been told to put your issues in a PM to Mac( I think) then it will be addressed. If you don't want to do that, but wish to be a martyr thats up to you. You may be right in what you say, but frankly you're going about it the same way VFC are going about there's. Saying the same thing over and over amd frankly its getting boring. If you believe you have a case PM Mac. Simple.

[Chris Smith]

You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.

If that's what you want from a discussion board then you've found your spiritual home at the place where yellow cards appear to be sprinkled about like confetti.

As I said it is only a discussion board Mr "Always Right" and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.

[Laughing Gravity]

Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.

But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.

Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.

[Laughing Gravity]

and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.

Depends if you're "in" or "out".

[peter w]

Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.

But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.

Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.

It quite obviously isn't. Your talking about ego's and you're the one constantly banging his own drum. The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans. The issue is about how our football club is run,how the fans want to take that forward, and, yes, there are differing opinions. LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.

[Dave]

Depends if you're "in" or "out".

Does it?

I don't consider myself "in" anything, and I've never been the subject of "overt control"

[Chris Smith]

and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.

Depends if you're "in" or "out".

Finished with my woman ’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
People think I’m insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I’ll lose my mind if I don’t find something to pacify

Can you help me thought you were my friend
Whoah yeah

I need someone to show me the things in life that I can’t find
I can’t see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind

Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal

And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it’s too late

[ColinMac]

and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.

Depends if you're "in" or "out".

Same could be said of somewhere else, i dared to go against the party line somewhere else and the site owner famously said "if you dont like it then fuck off".

Be careful with your new friends.

[Laughing Gravity]

The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans.

Just like the Trust, and that is the point.

Sit down only 30 pages to go.

[Laughing Gravity]

I don't consider myself "in" anything

try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.

[Risso]

The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans

Sorry, I'm not letting that pass as "fact."  Jon and others have never claimed to be "fans' chief" or "the voice of Villa fans" despite what people on here try to say.  If anybody's stupid enough to believe that one person can speak for the entire body of a team's fans, well that's their look out.

[Laughing Gravity]

LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.

is that right?

I'm the one suffering the personal attacks (except for perhaps the ears and hair comments but they were just friendly advice and I apologised and now realise how senstive a subject it is).

I have been entirely reasonable throughout  this debate.

Others have chosen to turn it into something personal because they don't like what I was saying.

[Dave]

try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.

Like who?

Who disagreed and paid the price?

Goodness, it's like 'The Godfather' round here....