Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[Laughing Gravity]

Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?

They are what they are and they are doing alright without my help. I've got my own group to look after.

[Laughing Gravity]

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That's stuffed you Woodhall.

[pete bland]

I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.

I don't mind. Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so, they are doing something they believe in. I used to be a member and am not against the principle of supporters trusts.

I suspect that they may be (OK definitely are) pissing in the wind as far as their stated aim, while Ellis is in place. I suspect they know it.

I like the outbreaks of straightforwardness when they say Ellis should go.

I'm less impressed when they, or their (exec) members say "I believe it would be in the best interests of the club for Ellis to remain in place..." as they did not so long ago.

But it's a free world.

[Oscar Goldman]

Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?

They are what they are...

Well, that’s illuminating although I’m sure it does actually sum up everything you really know about VFC.

[Laughing Gravity]

Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so

Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?

[Oscar Goldman]

Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so

Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?

What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?

[dave.woodhall]

Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so

Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?

Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!

[Chris Smith]

Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.

Which is something that Jon Fear has never referred to himself as.  Although to follow the reasoning given for the Trust's statement, it could be argued that he's the "chief" of the fans he represents.

I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.

[Laughing Gravity]

Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!

So is ST membership on the increase or decline?

[Laughing Gravity]

What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?

Did they have the collars ripped from their 80/81 replica shirts and slapped across the cheeks with a three year old copy of H&V?

[Simon Page]

Pete,
As you claim to always answer sensible questions, you will no doubt have missed rather than ignored the one earlier which asked: Which groups lie under the umbrella of VFC?

I'll refrain from trawling for the ones of mine you've missed just on this thread.

Hey Mr Gravity (or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast). The Supporters' Trust claims to speak on behalf of an obvious, concrete, known group of people, namely its members. That is both implicit and explicit in their press releases. (Ask for help if you can't follow). But I agree with you that Jon Fear and VFC don't claim to speak for all Villa fans. It did claim knowledge of shareholders views a couple of PRs back although I'm sure that was poor language rather than big ego. I wish people would stop beating them over the head with the "fans' chief" stuff so they didn't have the hurt and offended route of avoiding questions.

[Risso]

I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.

I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.

I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.

[Laughing Gravity]

(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).

I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.

[RossLeach]

Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so

Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?

Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!

I can't find my form.....

[dave.woodhall]

I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.

He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.