Violent scenes

[hilts_coolerking]

I agree with what you're saying and it's difficult to sympathise with anyone who has been throwing punches etc.  However, we all know there is a potential for these incidents to occur - There are flashpoints most weeks.  My gripe is that had the stewards behaved as you would have expected them to, none of this would have happened.  It is simply unacceptable for people who are charged with ensuring crowd safety and order to be goading fans who have just lost a game of football.  Had it been the guys and girls from this forum on the front few rows, the outbreak would not have happened but in a crowd of 3,000 passionate fans, there is always a good chance of an over reaction by some.

I'd love to hear the 'he stuck two fingers up at me m'lud' defence offered in court. 'Faced with such outrageous provocation, your honour, my client had absolutely no choice but to wade in, fists flying.'

[cdbearsfan]

Noone is saying the reactions are justified. There is still no reason for stewards to go out of their way to enrage people, though. If that's their attitude how can a visiting fan feel safe knowing that the people in charge of their security are overgrown five year olds? Those responsible should be dismissed and replaced with someone who can act professionally and provide security rather than provocation.

[Ads]

Agreed.

[The Edge]

We do have an element these days who are all too ready to get involved in trouble. I would never defend "fans" like that.But anyone who thinks stewards making provocative gestures is "no big deal" do not understand the first thing about crowd control. And the holier than thou attitude from some of our lot is also a bit rich. What would you do if your son/brother/mate was getting an unprovoked beating right in front of you? I wasn't there but i know people who were and by all accounts Palace employ a lot of staff eager to antagonise away supporters. Also there are met police in that part of the ground with the same mindset. I got that off a PALACE supporter.

[hilts_coolerking]

Noone is saying the reactions are justified. There is still no reason for stewards to go out of their way to enrage people, though.

That's my point: is that all it takes to enrage people to the point of violence?  That's fucked up.

[Brassneck]

I agree with what you're saying and it's difficult to sympathise with anyone who has been throwing punches etc.  However, we all know there is a potential for these incidents to occur - There are flashpoints most weeks.  My gripe is that had the stewards behaved as you would have expected them to, none of this would have happened.  It is simply unacceptable for people who are charged with ensuring crowd safety and order to be goading fans who have just lost a game of football.  Had it been the guys and girls from this forum on the front few rows, the outbreak would not have happened but in a crowd of 3,000 passionate fans, there is always a good chance of an over reaction by some.

I'd love to hear the 'he stuck two fingers up at me m'lud' defence offered in court. 'Faced with such outrageous provocation, your honour, my client had absolutely no choice but to wade in, fists flying.'

It is not a defence.  However, it is mitigation.  You are still missing the point that has been made by the majority on this thread: Nobody has covered themselves in glory.  Anyone who threw punches must take responsibility for their actions and face the consequences.

My argument is that if the stewards had acted professionally and as we've a right to expect, there would have been no violence and nothing to report.  I go to games with an expectation that measures are in place to ensure we all can watch the game safely and without the threat of violence.  We didn't have sufficient stewarding on Saturday and the result was inevitable.  Hopefully, Palace take heed of what went on and moving forward, we won't see a repeat of what happened.

[wittonwarrior]

fuck em upwards and onwards Salford here we come. Never liked that midget Scholes. 

[Herman]

I did once see a chap lay fists on another because he had said that his Capri was faster than other's Escort - A hotly disputed claim as it transpired. 

[Pete3206]

If you're going to compare a dream machine like a Capri to an Escort, you deserve to be chinned.

[Lastfootstamper]

I can see why fights start...

The Ford Escort is one of man's greatest creations. Up there with first-class cricket and cheese & onion crisps. The Capri, however, was shit.

[Pete3206]

You, outside

[PeterWithesShin]

I've never had a driving licence but I still love the look of the old Capris and Cortinas.

And if it was a race, Capri 3L Ghia would win.

[itmustbe_it is!]

I've never had a driving licence but I still love the look of the old Capris and Cortinas.

And if it was a race, Capri 3L Ghia would win.

Not is there were any corners to go round

[Lastfootstamper]

I've never had a driving licence but I still love the look of the old Capris and Cortinas.

And if it was a race, Capri 3L Ghia would win.

Not is there were any corners to go round

Brother's stag do, did a racing day. First up, Capris. Spun the thing without even trying. Shite.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's the greatest car ever made, fact!* I loved it as a kid.





*Fact may actually not be factually a correct fact.