VAR

[Nev]

It doesn't work.

[Jon Crofts]

It doesn't work.

It does work. It's the implementation and interpretation that doesn't work.

[LeeB]

It doesn't work.

It does work. It's the implementation and interpretation that doesn't work.

Yeah, which is why it doesn't work.

[tony scott]

We have replaced an perfect but nearly instantaneous system, with a more accurate but fairly drawn out one, which IMO will do irreparable to the the Premier League

[Nev]

It doesn't work.

It does work. It's the implementation and interpretation that doesn't work.

By it's very nature it relies on interpretation which is a matter of opinion and not fact. Opinions differ therefore what we think was wrong last night, others will think is correct.

We are no further forward in the quest for better refereeing standards and consistency  but the game is routinely spoiled by delays, the drama and emotion is flattened and the officials even more of a target.

There is no upside to VAR because it cannot be what everyone wants it to be. Very reminiscent of Brexit.

[Risso]

By it's very nature it relies on interpretation which is a matter of opinion and not fact. Opinions differ therefore what we think was wrong last night, others will think is correct.

We are no further forward in the quest for better refereeing standards and consistency  but the game is routinely spoiled by delays, the drama and emotion is flattened and the officials even more of a target.

There is no upside to VAR because it cannot be what everyone wants it to be. Very reminiscent of Brexit.

As Sickbeggar has said a couple of times, the 'clear and obvious error' rule is a deviously brilliant definition for the refs and VAR to use, as it can be used to justify any decision whichever way it goes.

If the roles had been reveresed last night and Man U scored our goal, there's no way it would have been ruled out, as it it wasn't clear and obvious. As it was us though, they can simply say that's what the rulebook says and we need to get over it.

[baddowvillans]

I don't think and would never accuse any official - even Moss, Friend and Oliver - of cheating or deliberately favouring "big" teams BUT until PGMOL recognise that there is without doubt an unconscious bias towards Sky 6 clubs it will never improve. 

For me it's the application of VAR that is wrong and that is demonstrated by last night decision.  I accept the rule which has been dug out means Ramsey was offside according to the law.  What I don't believe is that VAR would have done more than check the offside/handball if that had been Uniteds goal and the obscure rule would have stayed obscure for a little while longer.

Only the PGMOL can change this and only then if they see the bias and want to change it. 

As an aside I presume this routine was a Nanny MacPhee cunning plan that in the end worked against us.

[Pat Mustard]

It's taken what used to be a suspicion that the officials are biased in favour of the 'big' teams, and absolutely confirmed it.

[chrisw1]

It doesn't work.

It does work. It's the implementation and interpretation that doesn't work.

Exactly.

[chrisw1]

until PGMOL recognise that there is without doubt an unconscious bias towards Sky 6 clubs it will never improve. 

For me it's the application of VAR that is wrong and that is demonstrated by last night decision.  I accept the rule which has been dug out means Ramsey was offside according to the law.  What I don't believe is that VAR would have done more than check the offside/handball if that had been Uniteds goal and the obscure rule would have stayed obscure for a little while longer.

Only the PGMOL can change this and only then if they see the bias and want to change it. 

Exactly.

[LeeB]

until PGMOL recognise that there is without doubt an unconscious bias towards Sky 6 clubs it will never improve. 

For me it's the application of VAR that is wrong and that is demonstrated by last night decision.  I accept the rule which has been dug out means Ramsey was offside according to the law.  What I don't believe is that VAR would have done more than check the offside/handball if that had been Uniteds goal and the obscure rule would have stayed obscure for a little while longer.

Only the PGMOL can change this and only then if they see the bias and want to change it. 

Exactly.

David Ellery runs it like a fiefdom, so fuck all chance of that.

[Monty]

I've said it before, but in this, the most rigged of all possible worlds, where everything is set up for the always-already winners to prosper and the perpetual losers to suffer, we are asked to believe that football refereeing is the one great oasis of objective truth in this post-apolyptic desertscape. Like fuck it is.

I think the better sides do get more penalties because they're making more chances, I think that's fine. But we're not really talking about more or fewer here - we're talking about the self-evident double standards on display. Remember the insane Pogba tripping over himself, fouling our player and getting a penalty? Something like this happens once every two weeks to favour one of six clubs (though in practice one of four - maybe the norf Landaners have misplaced their brown envelopes). Every time there's a marginal - and sometimes they're not even that marginal - you know which way it's going to go.

I made a glib allusion there to bribery, but I don't think it's that. I don't even think it's anything particular that the clubs themselves do behind the scenes or on the pitch. I just think it's craven starfuckery, power-worship from the type of people who see the glorious chaos on a football pitch and instinctively wish to control it. Most referees are, of course, totally fine, but someone like Elleray, who always wanted to be the centre of attention, is naturally drawn to fame and the glamour of association with the powerful. You don't need to corrupt people who corrupt themselves with such relish.

[Small Rodent]

In a shock move, VAR has been called in to examine the "Zapruder home movie" of that fateful day in Dallas, Texas. After painstakingly watching the piece of footage for a total of 3 minutes and 36 seconds, the Stockley Park officials have declared that President John F Kennedy was not assassinated.

"It's very clear to us," said ex- referee R. A. S. Clart, "that the President moves his head into the path of the bullets. There is no other explanation. It is in fact, an unfortunate accident."

Manchester Utd fan, Lee Harvey Oswald, was unavailable for comment.

[wince]

In a shock move, VAR has been called in to examine the "Zapruder home movie" of that fateful day in Dallas, Texas. After painstakingly watching the piece of footage for a total of 3 minutes and 36 seconds, the Stockley Park officials have declared that President John F Kennedy was not assassinated.

"It's very clear to us," said ex- referee R. A. S. Clart, "that the President moves his head into the path of the bullets. There is no other explanation. It is in fact, an unfortunate accident."

Manchester Utd fan, Lee Harvey Oswald, was unavailable for comment.

You sir have won the internet!

[sickbeggar]

until PGMOL recognise that there is without doubt an unconscious bias towards Sky 6 clubs it will never improve. 

For me it's the application of VAR that is wrong and that is demonstrated by last night decision.  I accept the rule which has been dug out means Ramsey was offside according to the law.  What I don't believe is that VAR would have done more than check the offside/handball if that had been Uniteds goal and the obscure rule would have stayed obscure for a little while longer.

Only the PGMOL can change this and only then if they see the bias and want to change it. 

Exactly.

David Ellery runs it like a fiefdom, so fuck all chance of that.

Aye, one of most fussy, nit-picking, star of the show, never wrong refs, produces a system that is nit-picking fussy, the star of the show and never wrong. Don't think anyone saw that coming....