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Offline Astnor

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1950 on: February 06, 2021, 10:46:25 PM »
Our game today, VAR wasnt involved at all?
BTW I have decided that I m against VAR after giving it some thought. Some of the beauty of football is the simplicity of the rules. Probl the most complex rule are you cant be offside and the most basic rule has to be that you cant use your hands on the ball (its FOOTball). Another important rule is that you have to go for the ball and not the man (espescially not in a way that is dangerous to the other). To judge some of the incidents during a game and deciding wheter one of these rules are violated will always have to have a subjective element to it. And because of that the subjectivity of the refree IS PART OF THE GAME - it has to be (two diferent refrees will never make similar decisions in all of one and the same game - if an expriment where set up fx). The players and the fans trying to influence the refree s judgments is also part of the game as we are used to and is also some of the charm? of the game IMO. When the offside or the handball in the box are questionable VAR get involved. VAR and the following decision from the refree are also subjective (and questionable) - red card to the West Ham player today is an xample of that. With VAR the judgments are just brought to another level - nothing gained really BUT the simplicity and some flow of the game and then some of the beauty of the game get lost.
Do I make a case and a proven point here or am I just to drunk? Anyway happy with the win tonight.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1951 on: February 06, 2021, 10:51:31 PM »
Love your post Astnor and whatever you are drinking  is good. :)

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1952 on: February 07, 2021, 12:39:14 AM »
Get rid. It's over turning tight off-side decisions but creating new errors. Slows the game down and players & fans can't celebrate in case it goes to VAR.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1953 on: February 07, 2021, 07:14:51 AM »
Even the pundits are turning against it. VAR is embarrassing especially for the likes of that arrogant fecker Mike Dean.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1954 on: February 07, 2021, 09:27:01 AM »
VAR was brought in to address the issues of refereeing errors & idiotic decisions. The problem with VAR itís the same idiots making the decisions.

On the offside rules, elite sport is about fractions of a second & fine margins. I think most people are OK with this & how itís applied in football. Itís not ideal but itís consistent & fair. Thereís never going to be a perfect solution that suits everyoneís opinion.

Itís the penalty decisions that seem to be made up on the fly.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1955 on: February 07, 2021, 09:27:53 AM »
I donít mind the use of VAR on offside, where itís factual but it should also be used on divers.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1956 on: February 07, 2021, 09:37:37 AM »
I donít mind the use of VAR on offside, where itís factual

If only it was factual. Itís anything but.


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Re: VAR
« Reply #1957 on: February 07, 2021, 09:54:07 AM »
Itís not useless, itís the people who are observing it that are useless and the new rules to accommodate it.

Again how can they look at that and judge it to be a deliberate elbow. It should not even have been advised for Dean to view it. Ridiculous every week.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1958 on: February 07, 2021, 10:31:32 AM »
Itís not useless, itís the people who are observing it that are useless and the new rules to accommodate it.

Again how can they look at that and judge it to be a deliberate elbow. It should not even have been advised for Dean to view it. Ridiculous every week.

But that is your opinion, and mine as a matter of fact, but it wasn't the opinion of the officials and that's where VAR is doomed to failure, these decisions are subjective. However it's adjusted, nudged,  changed, fiddled with, there is no getting over that.

VAR should only be used for matters of fact, everything else should be left to the on field officials.

It will never, ever work otherwise.

Offline exigo

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1959 on: February 07, 2021, 10:41:10 AM »
It's based on bullshit, that's the problem. At 50 frames per second, they're trying to say that the ball is hit by the boot for 0.02 seconds, which is nonsense.
If it's going to stay, you can't just have that one frame as the point of contact, and then start drawing lines that seem to defy the actual plane of perspective to fit the narrative. The way to bring in some sort of 'linesman's call' is to spread the judgement over a few frames of footage. If the striker is onside in any of them, he's on.

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« Reply #1960 on: February 07, 2021, 11:45:02 AM »
It's based on bullshit, that's the problem. At 50 frames per second, they're trying to say that the ball is hit by the boot for 0.02 seconds, which is nonsense.
If it's going to stay, you can't just have that one frame as the point of contact, and then start drawing lines that seem to defy the actual plane of perspective to fit the narrative. The way to bring in some sort of 'linesman's call' is to spread the judgement over a few frames of footage. If the striker is onside in any of them, he's on.

And itís take 2-3 minutes now, imagine if they are drawing 3 set of lines over three frames 😂

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1961 on: February 07, 2021, 12:28:30 PM »
'Clear and obvious' shouldn't need lines at all. Quick cycle through all frames where the ball is being played, and the vast majority could be done by eye.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1962 on: February 07, 2021, 12:52:28 PM »
It's leading to the rules of the game being applied to the absolute letter, which means they're under a magnifying glass, rather than applying the spirit in which they were intended. The Soucek sending off for West Ham was an example of that. It should have just been a case of the ref telling the players to get on with it but instead the VAR takes several minutes to watch it over and over again before calling the ref over. Then the ref watched it again and again, over and over for several minutes before deciding it was a sending off. How many times do they need to be told it has to be clear and obvious? If it takes that long and needs to be watched that many times, it wasn't clear and obvious.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1963 on: February 07, 2021, 12:58:48 PM »
Itís not useless, itís the people who are observing it that are useless and the new rules to accommodate it.

Again how can they look at that and judge it to be a deliberate elbow. It should not even have been advised for Dean to view it. Ridiculous every week.

But that is your opinion, and mine as a matter of fact, but it wasn't the opinion of the officials and that's where VAR is doomed to failure, these decisions are subjective. However it's adjusted, nudged,  changed, fiddled with, there is no getting over that.

VAR should only be used for matters of fact, everything else should be left to the on field officials.

It will never, ever work otherwise.
I agree, itís not going to work. Iíve said before when they were talking about introducing VAR, you have fans and pundits arguing after the match about decisions so how can that work during a game. Itís too subjective.

What I really donít get at the moment though, is weíve had so many clearly obvious things happen which the pundits and fans are agreeing with but the match officials are looking at the screen and not seeing what everyone else is seeing.

 


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